Before us...

[bmy-]

Originally Posted by Misshalfway

Except the part in the scriptures where it says "every knew shall bow".........

We're Christian.. it's our right to ignore this verse or I'll just interpret it to mean something else. (Cramps in my leg, can't bend?)

[Koizito]

Well then, your god sure is reasonable...

[the Ogre]

Originally Posted by Koizito

Well then, your god sure is reasonable...

Oh c'mon Koz, if deity is merely a social-creation and you're here yakkin' with us, that makes any deity your deity, too. Own-up man. You like hangin' with us dirty ol' mormons cause you are one.

[rameumptom]

Originally Posted by Koizito

That's good news for me then... I mean, if Christ doesn't mind showing himself to me, at least, I wouldn't have any problem believing him... But praise him... I wouldn't praise even god himself... Don't get me wrong, if god shows himself to me and prove that it was him who created us, I would be thankful... But between that and praise goes a long way...

You may want to change your mind. For those who have sinned, we have become subject to the devil. We are bound to him, and will suffer in hell until we truly believe, repent, forsake our sins, and "every knee bow and tongue confess that Jesus is Lord."

Alma 36 explains what that hell is like, and then what was required for Alma's rescue:

12 But I was racked with aeternal btorment, for my soul was charrowed up to the greatest degree and racked with all my sins.
13 Yea, I did remember all my sins and iniquities, for which I was atormented with the bpains of hell; yea, I saw that I had crebelled against my God, and that I had not kept his holy commandments.

14 Yea, and I had amurdered many of his children, or rather led them away unto destruction; yea, and in fine so great had been my iniquities, that the very thought of coming into the presence of my God did rack my soul with inexpressible horror.

15 Oh, thought I, that I acould be banished and become extinct both soul and body, that I might not be brought to stand in the presence of my God, to be judged of my bdeeds.

16 And now, for three days and for three nights was I racked, even with the apains of a bdamned soul.

17 And it came to pass that as I was thus aracked with torment, while I was bharrowed up by the cmemory of my many sins, behold, I dremembered also to have heard my father prophesy unto the people concerning the coming of one Jesus Christ, a Son of God, to atone for the sins of the world.

18 Now, as my mind caught hold upon this thought, I cried within my heart: O Jesus, thou Son of God, ahave mercy on me, who am bin the cgall of bitterness, and am encircled about by the everlasting dchains of edeath.

19 And now, behold, when I thought this, I could remember my apains bno more; yea, I was harrowed up by the memory of my sins no more.

20 And oh, what ajoy, and what marvelous light I did behold; yea, my soul was filled with joy as exceeding as was my pain!

21 Yea, I say unto you, my son, that there could be nothing so exquisite and so bitter as were my pains. Yea, and again I say unto you, my son, that on the other hand, there can be nothing so exquisite and sweet as was my joy.

22 Yea, methought I saw, even as our father aLehi saw, God sitting upon his throne, surrounded with numberless concourses of angels, in the attitude of singing and bpraising their God; yea, and my soul did long to be there.

23 But behold, my limbs did receive their astrength again, and I stood upon my feet, and did manifest unto the people that I had been bborn of God.

24 Yea, and from that time even until now, I have labored without ceasing, that I might bring souls unto arepentance; that I might bring them to btaste of the exceeding joy of which I did taste; that they might also be cborn of God, and be dfilled with the Holy Ghost.

In such an instance, I'd think we all will gladly worship the One who saves us from such an interminable hell.

[Koizito]

But even though I may knee before him, I would never feel like he deserves that...

@ the Ogre: Just because I talk with married people, it doesn't mean I am married...

[the Ogre]

Originally Posted by Koizito

Just because I talk with married people, it doesn't mean I am married...

But do you do so out of sympathy, friendship, common-cause, or arrogance?

(as per your response to Ram: talk is cheap)

[Koizito]

Curiosity would be more likely... At least in this situation...

And I didn't understand what you meant with "talk is cheap"...

[the Ogre]

Originally Posted by Koizito

Curiosity would be more likely... At least in this situation...

Nothing wrong with that.

Originally Posted by Koizito

And I didn't understand what you meant with "talk is cheap"...

Your response (and everything you've said up the "curiosity" bit) has been pretty cliche.

[Koizito]

Maybe, but even if the truth is a cliche, that doesn't make it less true...

[the Ogre]

Originally Posted by Koizito

Maybe, but even if the truth is a cliche, that doesn't make it less true...

It's not truth that's cliche, just how you are representing your version of it (so far everything you've said sounds like junior-college atheism . . . I want something new).