? Jesus' Virgin Birth - Page 2

winterstar · #11 (**permalink**) 09-21-2009, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lattelady

The LDS church today teaches the virgin birth--are there members that still subscribe to the teachings of some of the former prophets that God the Father is the literal father of Jesus?

what's not "literal" about God being the Father through miraculous means?

beefche · #12 (**permalink**) 09-21-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by lattelady

The LDS church today teaches the virgin birth--are there members that still subscribe to the teachings of some of the former prophets that God the Father is the literal father of Jesus?

I'm really curious why you would ask this question. Of course there are members who believe different things. Some choose to follow one prophet or leader, while others like to follow something from their own thoughts/beliefs.

I think it's clear what the church teaches--what members choose to believe is their choice.

bytebear · #13 (**permalink**) 09-21-2009, 08:23 PM

God the Father is the literal father of Jesus, but Mary was still a virgin.

jadams_4040 · #14 (**permalink**) 09-21-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by lattelady

It is taught and accepted as truth in most Christian denominations that Jesus was born of a virgin (Mary), a miraculous conception through the Spirit of God. What is the LDS view on Jesus birth? Was He born of a virgin, as taught in the Bible? Or was He the product of a physical union with God the Father (Elohim)?

We beleive what the Holy bible teaches.

lattelady · #15 (**permalink**) 09-21-2009, 10:45 PM

"For someone who doesn't know much about what our Church teaches, you sure seem to know alot"--
I'm not sure why you're saying that. What I know about the LDS church comes from living in Utah for 25 years. As you can imagine, as a non-member, I've heard about MANY differing teachings. As many differing teachings as I've encountered on this forum, 25 years has provided a great deal more...
Beefche, the reason I was asking that question was: it's interesting to hear what the majority of current LDS members believe on different doctrines. I have heard both teachings. As I've spent time in this forum, I've seen that current teaching trumps former teachings from former prophets. Now and then, I will run into people who choose to hang on to a former prophet's teaching. I just wondered what the common, most widely held belief was. I wasn't going to argue with you on what the most common belief was. I just wondered.

Palerider · #16 (**permalink**) 09-21-2009, 10:52 PM

All these LDS friends quoted Brigham Young to you etc..

lattelady · #17 (**permalink**) 09-21-2009, 11:12 PM

Where have I quoted Brigham Young? Why are you questioning me? Do you realize that anyone can read books or the internet--books on LDS doctrine are not off limits to non-mombers. I've grown up around devout members all of my life and have very close LDS friends. I'm not speaking negatively about the Church. What is it that I'm doing that is bothering you?

Generally_Me · #18 (**permalink**) 09-22-2009, 09:42 AM

Latte,

I grew up in the church, and in Utah, but I didn't know that "the church" taught God had carnal relations with Mary until a few months ago when I accidentally cruised onto an anti-Mormon website. It was news to me.

So I think it's safe to say that, that particular teaching is no longer being taught mainstream, and only by those who want to use it for whatever goal they are using it for. Mainstream Mormons believe that Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus. Whomever of your friends that are believing otherwise probably have other differences of opinion (such as, maybe, interpretation of the BoM, and how J. Smith accomplished that. Off the top of my head.)

lattelady · #19 (**permalink**) 09-22-2009, 10:24 PM

An honest question: was this a thought from way back, like in the 1800's? Someone else mentioned Brigham Young's name--was he the prophet who spoke about it? Please: I'm not playing dumb, I know this concept about Elohim being the literal father of Jesus had a place at one time in church history. I just wanted to know when the thought originated and when the concept died down or was replaced. I'm slowly learning how progressive prophecy works in the LDS faith (I'm not saying I agree with it, but I think I'm understanding your beliefs about it--I'm not here to bash your faith!).

Palerider · #20 (**permalink**) 09-22-2009, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by lattelady

Where have I quoted Brigham Young? Why are you questioning me? Do you realize that anyone can read books or the internet--books on LDS doctrine are not off limits to non-mombers. I've grown up around devout members all of my life and have very close LDS friends. I'm not speaking negatively about the Church. What is it that I'm doing that is bothering you?

Last time I looked....I can ask questions....why do you get all in a huff when someone asks????