Is Satan really...

[curtishouse]

Is Satan really Jesus's spirit brother? If so, is it talked about in the BOM, D&C, or Pearl of Great Price?

[Loudmouth_Mormon]

Yes, and not really.

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[curtishouse]

Originally Posted by Loudmouth_Mormon

Yes, and not really.

FAIR link 1

FAIR link two

Still reading the articles but that first one just makes soo much sense! Thanks for posting it!! I'll be sure to check em both out...I love this place!

[fatima]

Jesus, Satan, and all humanity share God the Father as their spiritual sire

It's too bad I'm getting more confused as I read this forum; I had hoped to find more understanding.

1) I've "learned" that Jesus was part of the "Godhead" prior to His physical birth; yet I've also learned that to achieve such exultation one must have already been a man and "progressed". IOW, you cannot be a god until you've been a man, yet Jesus was.

2) I'm under the impression from this article that God the Father created/begat all of us equally with Jesus, but that Jesus was the only one who fulfilled the Father's Will with His life, death and resurrection, which is why He is the Savior.

3) What kind of father would have a "first and greatest Son." I do not consider any of my children above the other, to do so would be a lack of life giving love. God the Father loves each of His children infinitely, which is why He gave Himself to die on the Cross, so none of His children would have to suffer death.

4)

Jesus was "the Only Begotten"—only He, of all God's children, had a physical inheritance in His body from God the Father. All other mortals have two mortal parents

In another thread I was told that God made the "atoms" in Mary come together to form Jesus Christ, and that an immortal being (God) cannot provide a mortal body.

This is just for starters, gotta go make breakfast.

[BenRaines]

Fatima, someone may have told you that was their interpretation. I have never heard that God made atoms come together to form Christ in Mary's womb.

If you have children you do not have a first born? I have four children, the first one born is the first born.

We believe that Christ was the Firstborn in Spirit and the only begotten in the flesh. Sorry but those positions both seem pretty simple to me. I can see how it could or would be confusing to those who believe that "God, The Father" and "Jesus Christ" are the same entity in different forms. We do not believe that to be so.

Ben Raines

[fatima]

Originally Posted by BenRaines

Fatima, someone may have told you that was their interpretation. I have never heard that God made atoms come together to form Christ in Mary's womb.

If you have children you do not have a first born? I have four children, the first one born is the first born.

We believe that Christ was the Firstborn in Spirit and the only begotten in the flesh. Sorry but those positions both seem pretty simple to me. I can see how it could or would be confusing to those who believe that "God, The Father" and "Jesus Christ" are the same entity in different forms. We do not believe that to be so.

Ben Raines

Are we all equally spirit children of the Father? If so, why would He give the benefit of His Divinity to only one of His children?
God the Father (again, according to another thread) gave A and E two commandments: be fruitful and multiply and do not eat of the tree, yet they could not fulfill either of those commandments without breaking the other (according to the other thread). Then, as I just said, He gives one child (Jesus) the benefit of Divinity which makes His life sinless and His death redemptive for the rest of us.
These are very hard to reconcile, not because I'm a trinitarian Christian, but because it contradicts the very nature of God: all loving and all good.
Feel free to try to clarify, but that's how I see it right now.

[BenRaines]

Well as I understand it we are all offered Godhood, just depends on if we are willing to pay the price to attain it.

Would God/Christ, in your example, command us to be perfect and yet not allow us a way to do so? Would we be told to be like Christ and like the Father if there were no way to become so?

I believe that a loving, caring, Father would plan a way for his children to return to be with him and be like him. I do not believe in an egotistical Father who would have us sit as this knee and sing praises to him all day for eternity.

As we are both aware we have a difference in belief. I welcome yours as we all seek to find a way back to our Heavenly Father and his Firstborn in Spirit and only begotten Son in the flesh, Jesus Christ.

Ben Raines

[Misshalfway]

Originally Posted by fatima

Are we all equally spirit children of the Father? If so, why would He give the benefit of His Divinity to only one of His children?
God the Father (again, according to another thread) gave A and E two commandments: be fruitful and multiply and do not eat of the tree, yet they could not fulfill either of those commandments without breaking the other (according to the other thread). Then, as I just said, He gives one child (Jesus) the benefit of Divinity which makes His life sinless and His death redemptive for the rest of us.
These are very hard to reconcile, not because I'm a trinitarian Christian, but because it contradicts the very nature of God: all loving and all good.
Feel free to try to clarify, but that's how I see it right now.

Fatima, I don't know if this perspective helps, but the churches current understanding of the eternities and how God came to be is a limited one. Most of what we understand today has been revealed thru modern day prophets, seers and revelators, and the scriptures and other revelations that come from these important leaders is where our current understanding comes from. He is a person called of God to reveal things, see things, both about past present and future according to the will of God, as well as helping us to understand the truth that has already been revealed. Having a prophet, seer and a revelator is a pretty cool thing as getting up to date counsel from God helps in leading people to physical and spiritual safety, but that doesn't mean we understand all things or profess that we do either. And this understanding is as much as we know today about the mysteries of God and that is where the sidewalk ends.

Some get jazzed about the stuff near the edge of understanding and start that fun and precarious process of speculation. That is where you got the stuff about how Mary became pregnant with Jesus. That was a new one for me. The scriptures and our leaders say that Mary was a virgin and became pregnant thru the Holy Ghost. No other peice of information has been given to answer exactly how that process happened. Like so many things, we are given part of a truth to digest and then expected to live on in faith.

I know its confusing. I am sorry about that. Confusing because people put off speculation as LDS doctrine and confusing because accepting the Godhead and eternal progression as truth is a profound paradigm shift.

[fatima]

I have no problem at all with a church, either LDS or Catholic or otherwise, saying that the fullness of understand Truth has not been revealed (or I think a better word is "understood"). That is not the part that I'm finding hard to digest. I mean, in Catholic doctrine, for instance, that Mary was immaculately conceived only became a "must believe" in the 19th century. It had been speculated prior to that, but not binding on Catholics.
It's just the idea that God would "set us up", so to speak, to sin. I mean, what choice did A and E have other than to disobey? God does not ever, ever, ever will us to sin.
Additionally, that there are what seem to be doctrines that contradict the very nature of God. I mean, preferential treatment for one of His children. (please forgive any crudeness, I'm not really sure how to put some of this)
As a Trinitarian, it does make more sense, and that it is consistent with God's all goodness, to become man Himself, in Jesus Christ. He is the only eternal and infinitely good being, so only the infinite can pay the infinite price.

[Loudmouth_Mormon]

Originally Posted by fatima

Are we all equally spirit children of the Father?

No - we are not equal with Christ. He is many things:
savior, lord, master, firstborn, annointed one, messiah. I'm not any of those things. Not equal.