Are Temple ceremonies derived from Freemasonry?

[beefche]

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[HiJolly]

Originally Posted by Caitlyn

I've read this many times. How much truth is there in it?

A few things were borrowed. All of it was re-defined. Except maybe the 5 points of fellowship, which was borrowed straight across until it was removed in 1990.

HiJolly

[livy111us]

Originally Posted by HiJolly

A few things were borrowed. All of it was re-defined. Except maybe the 5 points of fellowship, which was borrowed straight across until it was removed in 1990.

HiJolly

I beg to differ. There is evidence of this being an ancient practice. I believe this information will be published this summer. Joseph Smith did not have to borrow or steal anything because it was a revealed ordinance from God.

[HiJolly]

Originally Posted by livy111us

I beg to differ. There is evidence of this being an ancient practice. I believe this information will be published this summer. Joseph Smith did not have to borrow or steal anything because it was a revealed ordinance from God.

Never said it wasn't an ancient practice.

An article written years ago by Arturo de Hoyos lays it out very clearly as to what happened, and in what timeframes. The Freemasons only used it as we did for about (IIRC) 30 years, and then made changes post 1844 that we did not make. So then at that point we were the only ones using it exactly as it had been, only we kept it going unchanged for over 150 years.

HiJolly

[livy111us]

I think there is a disconnect between both camps (ancient for from freemasonry) on the origin of the endowment. I have called many people out after comments that they've made about the endowment coming from masonry, but after discussing the issue, they believe that masonry got it from Christianity or Judaism. Personally, I find it easier to believe and explain to say that the endowment is ancient and the masons borrowed from existing rituals when they came up with their ceremonies a few hundred years ago. I believe it isn't accurate to say that Joseph Smith borrowed from the masons, because both are pulling from an ancient source.

[Jezebel2011]

I have a very good friend whom is a Freemason and has been for 30 years.

Freemasonry dates back to the patriarch Noah.

Not going to discuss the LDS Temple since we make covenants not to do so.

[beefche]

Originally Posted by Jezebel2011

Freemasonry dates back to the patriarch Noah.

I've never heard that before. Where do you get that information?

[HiJolly]

Originally Posted by Jezebel2011

Freemasonry dates back to the patriarch Noah.

In Joseph Smith's day, 99% of the Freemason believed this, some even going to Adam for the source of Freemasonry. Today, maybe 10% still believe this, because they don't believe the historical research of the past 100 years or so. Sad.

Originally Posted by Jezebel2011

Not going to discuss the LDS Temple since we make covenants not to do so.

You made specific covenants not to reveal certain select portions of the endowment. About maybe 5% of the endowment, or less.


HiJolly

[annewandering]

Well I dont know what 5 % that might be. ^^ Better to 'err' on the side of caution and maybe not discuss any of them.

[Jezebel2011]

Originally Posted by HiJolly

In Joseph Smith's day, 99% of the Freemason believed this, some even going to Adam for the source of Freemasonry. Today, maybe 10% still believe this, because they don't believe the historical research of the past 100 years or so. Sad.


You made specific covenants not to reveal certain select portions of the endowment. About maybe 5% of the endowment, or less.


HiJolly

I was told NOT to reveal any of the Endowment to anyone, and I will stick by that.

Nobody revealed any of the Endowment to me prior to my taking it for myself.

I will certainly not discuss any of it with anyone, whether on an internet Forum or not.

If you go into current Freemason history you will find that Noah is behind the practices and beliefs of the Freemasons - that is actual fact. Speak to someone whom is a Freemason and you will find out that it is true. Nothing to do with the history of the LDS Church or JS.

You can look at the Freemasonry's own reference books -

(Mackey, Lexicon of Freemasonry, page 324, 2004, Barnes and Noble Publishing, Inc.)