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As if anyone could knowingly commit sin without being changed both in spirit, body, and mind. Let me say this again, sin changes who we are! --james12 *********************** "Nice hand, friend, but those are not the cards I dealt you." 
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10-25-2011, 08:19 PM
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10-25-2011, 08:24 PM
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Pressure: It can turn a lump of coal into a flawless diamond, or an average person into a perfect basketcase. -from despair.com Except for ending slavery, fascism, nazism, & communism, WAR HAS NEVER SOLVED ANYTHING! From protestwarrior.com
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10-25-2011, 08:43 PM
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If you think there is some greater detail to Satan's supposed "plan", then please point it out in scripture. I would be happy to learn. Laws and punishments do not destroy agency. Arranged marriage does not destroy agency. Making your child eat his peas does not destroy agency.
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As if anyone could knowingly commit sin without being changed both in spirit, body, and mind. Let me say this again, sin changes who we are! --james12 *********************** "Nice hand, friend, but those are not the cards I dealt you."
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10-25-2011, 08:45 PM
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Vort, do you mind starting another thread to discuss agency? I think it's a worthy topic, but a definite highjack of this thread.
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I say that we need to teach our people to find their answers in the scriptures...But the unfortunate thing is that so many of us are not reading the scriptures. We do not know what is in them, and therefore we speculate about things that we ought to have found in the scriptures themselves. I think that therein is one of our biggest dangers of today." --President Harold B. Lee, December, 1972
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10-25-2011, 08:56 PM
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As if anyone could knowingly commit sin without being changed both in spirit, body, and mind. Let me say this again, sin changes who we are! --james12 *********************** "Nice hand, friend, but those are not the cards I dealt you."
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10-26-2011, 05:16 PM
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10-27-2011, 04:37 PM
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10-28-2011, 02:34 PM
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I feel that the leaders of the church always speak to the young single adults about not procrastinating marriage for a good reason. Once girls are out of high school and they enter singles wards or college wards...and once young men are back from their missions...we hear the "get married" talk over and over again. I think we should do it as soon as the opportunity to have a righteous marriage comes up, which may be 19 for some, and 30 for others. I was just married about 5 months ago, and I can't begin to tell you how much growth has taken place in these past five months, and how much stronger my wife and I are than we were before our marriage. The leaders of the church don't want us to procrastinate this growth, or the opportunity to have a family. Getting married 4 years later than you could have may mean missing out on 2 children that could have been in your family. Marriage is fantastic and causes such growth in both individuals, we should do it when we're presented with an opportunity, and both in the couple are living as they should be.
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11-01-2011, 12:16 PM
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 "economically secure" - So I can't get married till I get my PhD and paid off all my debts? that's a long time from now... Considering the vast majority of the Americans are in debt I don't know exactly how you would define this. These positions I think are valid to a degree but maybe more applicable to children and even then not very holding or at least need more defining. These guides are ranges not absolutes; you do not wake up one day "emotionally stable" or "economically secure" you are either more or less compared to other people and compared to yourself in the past. Further it is very subjective and as such biased. How would you know if you are emotionally stable of economically secure? And what do you compare it to? Last edited by Onhech; 11-01-2011 at 12:56 PM.
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