Vaccines and Mercury - My research on Safety

[lds2]

Yeah, and how many people did they say had died of flu previously and would die of the "swine flu" if not vaccinated a few years ago? Believe what you want to believe...

but most outbreaks of measles occur in "vaccinated" populations where there should be "herd immunity" according to MS Medicine. But they will blame those dirty unvaccinated people for any outbreak.

Have you seen the "no kissing" billboards in SLC advertising a new vaccine, indicating that you shouldn't kiss dirty people until they have been vaccinated and become "clean?"

[MarginOfError]

Originally Posted by Eowyn

I also wouldn't count reading articles from mothering.com or vaccinesareevil.com or onlysheepgivekidsshots.com or whatever anti-vax site "research". It's reading articles on the internet. Research would be looking at all the actual scientific studies that have been done and comparing them against what you know. Reading articles bent to your opinion written by who knows who on the internet isn't research. Asking one RN about packaging isn't research, it's asking leading questions. I'm going to have to stick with MoE here.

A wise decision, Eowyn.

I'll also add for the benefit of people who have participated in this thread so far--and this might sound condescending, but I don't mean anything personal by it (at least not to you, Eowyn)

I know more about this than you do.
I understand the research about this better than you do.

And with that I'm bowing out because I could lose my temper and start saying things that will likely get me banned if I stick around.

[MarginOfError]

Originally Posted by lds2

Yeah, and how many people did they say had died of flu previously and would die of the "swine flu" if not vaccinated a few years ago? Believe what you want to believe...

but most outbreaks of measles occur in "vaccinated" populations where there should be "herd immunity" according to MS Medicine. But they will blame those dirty unvaccinated people for any outbreak.

Have you seen the "no kissing" billboards in SLC advertising a new vaccine, indicating that you shouldn't kiss dirty people until they have been vaccinated and become "clean?"

You have no idea what you're talking about. Honestly lady, you don't.

Find any outbreak of measles in the US or Britain in the past 20 years. I'll show you that the outbreak started in the unvaccinated population and spread to the vaccinated population. The herd immunity you deride was broken by people who thought they were so brilliant to not be vaccinated. Their brilliance is nothing more than egocentric idiocy.

[lds2]

And yet the multiple boosters still don't work for many when outbreaks occur...

The Truth About Vaccines - Nine Points Left Out By TIME article
By Louise Habakus
tinyurl.com/4fmbr9

...herd immunity, that is, the belief that a certain very high threshold of the population must be vaccinated or the disease(s) will return. This is assumed but has never been proven. Disease outbreaks occur in schools and other communities where 99%+ of the population has been vaccinated (New England Journal of Medicine, 3/87). Vaccine makers disclose that it is possible to get the disease from the vaccine. While the press and the government like to blame outbreaks on the unvaccinated, it is not possible to precisely prove this as both unvaccinated and vaccinated contract the disease. Disease transmission can occur through breast milk and through "viral shedding" from the nose and mouth of the recently vaccinated....

...At its heart, science is about observation. That government scientists are willing to so readily dismiss the first-hand observations of tens of thousands of parents who swear that they lost their children to autism just days and weeks after inoculations is irresponsible (and I am being kind). I am shocked that Time magazine did not reference Dr. Bernadine Healy's TV interview on 5/12/08 where she makes a break with her Institute of Medicine (IOM) colleagues and goes on record to say that we must study this further, we must understand what is happening with susceptible groups of children and she chides her colleagues by saying that we must never be afraid of what the truth will show. Dr. Healy is a Harvard-educated physician who did her residency at Johns Hopkins and is former head of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and a current member of the IOM. Her credentials are impeccable

[lds2]

Hannah Poling is the little autistic girl who was found to have been vaccine injured. When her case was decided the government said that her condition was caused by a mitochondrial disorder that is extremely rare...but that is not what researchers are finding...

65% Autistic Children Found To Have Mitochondrial Disorder

At an American Academy of Neurology meeting last Sunday it was revealed in a recent research paper, see below, that 65% of children with Autistic Spectrum Disorders assessed were found to have mitochondrial disorder (MtD) and so were always at risk of autism caused by one or more vaccines....

Sunday, April 13, 2008 2:45 PM
Platform Session: Integrated Neuroscience: Autism (2:00 PM-3:15 PM) Annual Meeting Annual American Academy of Neurology"

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[lds2]

My SIL (a doctor) and four other close relatives (nurses) are in the MSMedicine and so we have this conversation on a regular basis and it is seriously endless. We eventually agree to disagree.

Obviously you are very intelligent and I'm sorry about the crack about intelligent people that was meant more towards doctors who require these multiple boosters anyway. I understand how invested in this you are and so there will be no agreement here and the debate seriously is endless as it is very polarizing between the injured and those who must prove that they are in no way reponsible for the injury...and perhaps they are not. There is much we do not know...I'm sure we will both be in the front row on the lecture on the truth about vaccines during the millennium.

As a parent I would be very careful of what vaccines to give my children and at what ages. I believe the vaccine given on the day of birth is harmful and unnecessary. Even those children born to infected women will be infected coming through the birth canal long before any anti-bodies can be created by a pretty much non-existent immune system from the vaccine...and for the other infants it only "works" for the first few years of life when the chances of contracting a VD are remote. Newborn infant's immune system are best helped by nursing from their mothers rather than a vaccine which has ingredients that can be harmful to an undeveloped immune system with no way to detoxify...no tears, no BMs at first, etc. Of course it was probably much more harmful back when it had thimerosal in it, but I still would not assume that it is benign as there are other metals, chemicals, and even some unintended diseases in some vaccines that have not been proven safe especially in newborns

I have an acquantaince who wasn't damaged by vaccines until he had his missionary shots and then he went into a downward spiral into autism obvious to all around him. Now he is greatly affected by his disability and knows what it was like to have been "normal." Fortunately, he is still a brilliant individual and last we talked was working at BYU as a researcher but will probably never marry or have a family.

Another close friend's child had his 18 month old shots and started screaming and did not stop except to sleep...for 11 days. When he stopped screaming his words, play and eye contact were gone and he has regained very few of these in the years since.

Just be careful out there my friends...follow the money...and understand that there can be a tipping point for toxins and you can not tell by looking at a child/adult when that will happen, so do not assume that all of the many, many vaccines out there and being developed are benign and be selective and follow the Spirit in what you choose for yourself and your children.

Best wishes! Seriously...

Your friend


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[Loudmouth_Mormon]

Yep, as I said earlier, the opinion-holders never budge an inch in such discussions. But check the thread stats - 210 views from folks like me. This thread holds (what I assume is) the best of both sides of the debate - and folks are forming opinions.

Moe - life is easier when you think of it not as arguing with lds2, but as making an argument for the hundreds of people who come here and read what you have to say.

[annewandering]

I found the discussion interesting and informative. Ty both for your contributions.
Autism is a nasty problem for sure. I have a niece who is very autistic. No one knows why she has it. If we were to know or find a cure it would be wonderful. I do not particularly trust big businesses to have our best interests at heart but then again whoever comes up with some solutions, both to preventing and curing autism, will be raking in the dough and that is an incentive even the 'evil empire' will not resist. In this case I think 'following the money' will actually help find a cure and/or prevention.
We can always hope anyway.

[Vort]

Originally Posted by annewandering

In this case I think 'following the money' will actually help find a cure and/or prevention.
We can always hope anyway.

There is also the attitude that what we call "autism" is, in many cases, simply a normal (and not unhealthy) variation of human personality. Looking for a "cure" for such personality traits is, in this view, similar to observing how rowdy and restless seven-year-old boys are in first grade and then searching for a "cure" for maleness, instead of adapting the educational system for their benefit.

[annewandering]

Originally Posted by Vort

There is also the attitude that what we call "autism" is, in many cases, simply a normal (and not unhealthy) variation of human personality. Looking for a "cure" for such personality traits is, in this view, similar to observing how rowdy and restless seven-year-old boys are in first grade and then searching for a "cure" for maleness, instead of adapting the educational system for their benefit.

I would agree with that and know of at least one case very similar to what you state. However in the case of my niece she is severely autistic. This is the kind of case we pray for cures or at least improvements and pray that we find a way to prevent it from ever striking another child. When she was tiny she was the cutest little thing. Bouncy blond curls and just as sweet as could be. Then we noticed she did not 'see' things in her way but her eyesight was fine. She did not 'hear' people but her hearing was fine. Gradually, or so it seemed at the time, actually it was quite fast in retrospect, she just stopped living in this world in many ways.
It is very easy to see why parents look desperately for solutions to help their autistic children, sometimes in not so useful ways but it is SOMETHING they can cling to so they don't feel so helpless.