Preparedness = firearms

[repeal17thamendment]

I'm rather surprised that there is not a single recent firearms related thread in a "preparedness" section. That could be due to an interesting phenomenon on L.D.S. forums where most members of L.D.S. forums are women, but since I'm new here I can't say for sure yet.

In every major disaster, the need for a firearm is always UNDER stated by the media (they hate guns so the media avoids making guns look good at all costs), but if you've ever actually BEEN in a disaster, you know that within hours (sometimes within minutes) you quickly realize that YOU are going to need to protect your property or maybe even your life and the lives of your family. Some of you may live in high crime urban areas, and thus, sadly you need to be prepared every day.

I have an uncle who lived in L.A. during the riots and he was calm as a summer's morning because he was prepared, but we laugh to this day about all of his leftist friends/acquaintances who preached how "evil" guns are, but when the riots broke out, they ran so fast to the gun stores they burned holes in their loafers . Not only that, but the best part came when these hypocrites were reminded that commie-fornia had an unconstitutional waiting period (which THEY helped pass), which meant they were totally defenseless as mobs were going around killing, raping, burning, stealing etc.

I believe every latter day saint who wishes to follow the commandment to be prepared, should have a few effective firearms for WHEN disasters happen. Remember, U.S. courts have ruled over and over for at least a century that government has NO DUTY TO PROTECT YOU. People have tried to sue the police for not protecting them and it never works.

My suggestions for proper preparedness:

1. A few good 9mm handguns and at least a few hundred rounds of ammunition. There's no need to spend gobs of $$$ either, I only paid $300 for my S&W Sigma.
2. A good semi auto rifle that "means business" such as an AR, an AK, or an SKS, and at least 500 rounds of ammunition. The AK and SKS rifles are my favorites for their reliability and low cost.
3. A good semi auto .22 rifle for your kids who are not able to handle the above rifles. The katrina victims learned why you need a good .22 rifle: sick, desperate, and violent animals roaming around. Thousands were stuck in their flooded homes for weeks. .22 rifles are cheap to shoot

[CrimsonKairos]

Originally Posted by repeal17thamendment

3. A good semi auto .22 rifle for your kids who are not able to handle the above rifles. The katrina victims learned why you need a good .22 rifle: sick, desperate, and violent animals roaming around.

This is often overlooked, I find. I mean, yeah its good to be able to protect your family from other people, but up here in the NW, there are more critters to contend with than other areas of the country I've lived in.

I want to be able to stop a bear dead in its tracks (do they still sell elephant guns from the safari days of yore? hahahaha)

Oh, and Jefferson was wrong about banks. Completely. After the institution of the First National Bank under Hamilton's proposal and Washington's approval, in five years America's exports had tripled.

Other than that, Jefferson was the man!

[Mahonri]

Maybe we should all look forward to walking to the other side of the viel?

I've never seen ammo or guns mentioned in a General Conference address.

I wonder why that is?

That said, I have a gun and I'm buying another and I'm going to teach my family how to use them.

[Gwen]

there was a lot of discussion on talk awhile back about guns, for and against. i find it odd that the majority of what you talk about is ppl to ppl use for them, the one in your avitar wasn't exactly designed for obtaining food.

do you not have the faith of nephi to protect your family? do you not have that same preisthood in your home? maybe i see it differently not living in an area where i worry that my kids could get killed in a driveby shooting when playing outside. not that a gun in the house would do much to save my child once the first shot was fired. on the other hand, i can't imagine any life circumstance forcing me to live like that, i'll take a tent in the woods first. nephi used weapons for food, for prepardness that is a fair discussion. against his brothers i don't recall a single weapon being used, only the word of god. that being said yes he slew labon, however, quite reluctantly, only at the lords command, and not in retribution of any kind.

so in talking about preparedness the discussions of guns is fair, especially if you like a piece of meat with your meals. hunting guns. with the discussion of owning and knowing how to shoot a gun there are other things. that is a first step and not near enough to be able to provide for your family. do you know how to clean a deer, opposim, armidillo, rabbit, squirl, etc? do you know what kind of gun to use for them? do you know how to safely prepare said animals? do you know which parts you can eat and what you can't?

honestly i don't. if living off the land i'd be a vegitarian i guess. i have compleate confidence in my husband to find the ppl he needs to learn and ability to pick it up fast. i know many familys that do know all that stuff and could live off the land without the first sign in a change in lifestyle. i figure i'll save the fixins and we can trade. lol maybe i'll change my mind later but that's where i am at the moment.

just my 2 cents.

[MorningStar]

I grew up with a gun in my house, but I don't really want one now. A friend of mine was accidentally shot by her husband (freak accident) and another lady in my ward became a widow when her husband was cleaning his gun. It makes me too nervous and I was also on the scene after my friend's dad shot himself in the head. That was a terrible sight. Later when my dad became depressed, I hid his gun from him.

[repeal17thamendment]

Maybe we should all look forward to walking to the other side of the viel?

Huh what does that mean?

Frankly I don't understand why so many women have made so many moderately sized posts in a gun thread. I thought it was obvious but this thread is not speaking to women. I accept the reality that men and women are vastly DIFFERENT. I honestly think you ladies would be a little annoyed if a bunch of guys showed up in a thread about scented candles just to go on and on about how "I'm not into that."

I just have no urge to go into crocheting threads and say "that's not for me why do you do that, why do you like crocheting so much?"

Oh, and Jefferson was wrong about banks. Completely. After the institution of the First National Bank under Hamilton's proposal and Washington's approval, in five years America's exports had tripled.

If you wanted to get into that, why didn't you start a thread instead of interjecting into a thread where it doesn't belong? As much as I would love to ignore it, your statement is so factually incorrect it sticks out like a sore thumb. You don't seem to notice that your extreme claim that "Jefferson was wrong...completely" is presented in an extremely NARROW way. You glaringly ignore the big picture (because Jefferson was proved to be CORRECT if you look at more than one millimeter of the picture such as a couple years of exports). The statement you made was very irresponsible from the perspective of honest debate. The only way to hold your opinion about that is to ignore 90% of the picture. What Jefferson SAID would happen has happened. Are you just unaware of how corporations have completely taken over the marketplace? Are you just avoiding the obvious truth that since 1913, the PRIVATE federal reserve has inflated the currency and made it TOTALLY FIAT (meaning unbacked by anything). Have you bothered to look at your dollar bill lately and compare it to a dollar bill from before 1933 when we had HONEST money?

[PentiumInside]

Originally Posted by MorningStar

I grew up with a gun in my house, but I don't really want one now. A friend of mine was accidentally shot by her husband (freak accident) and another lady in my ward became a widow when her husband was cleaning his gun. It makes me too nervous and I was also on the scene after my friend's dad shot himself in the head. That was a terrible sight. Later when my dad became depressed, I hid his gun from him.

Wow..thats some crappy luck.

Owning a gun and some ammo is definitely a good idea. Even if you never use it. Take it out every 6 months and make sure its not rusty, etc. then bury it away in its safe spot somewhere deep in the house if you dont like firearms or feel uncomfortable with them in the house.


I was going to make a bumper sticker that said this but my wife got mad and forced me to concede lol :

MY FOOD STORAGE = MY 9 MIL AND WHATEVER IS IN YOUR BASEMENT!

[ztodd]

Only 2 women posted so far, don't get your panties in a bunch. You didn't stipulate that this was a thread only for men, and no it wasn't obvious that it was.

Face it. You can't just say the issue of owning guns is a guy thing like scented candles or crocheting is a woman thing. It doesn't work that way. Morningstar and Gwen made some valid points. I'm a pacifist myself so you and I probably wouldn't get along on this issue real well.

You probably wanted this thread to turn out to be a real macho discussion of y'all's favorite guns and how powerful they are and whatnot.. if so, it might be better suited for a different forum.. but you actually presented it as a discussion about being prepared for an emergency. I would have thought you would welcome different points of view in contributing to that discussion. If this really was your intention, you would be wise to consider women's points of view on the subject.

[ztodd]

Originally Posted by PentiumInside

Wow..thats some crappy luck.

Owning a gun and some ammo is definitely a good idea. Even if you never use it. Take it out every 6 months and make sure its not rusty, etc. then bury it away in its safe spot somewhere deep in the house if you dont like firearms or feel uncomfortable with them in the house.


I was going to make a bumper sticker that said this but my wife got mad and forced me to concede lol :

MY FOOD STORAGE = MY 9 MIL AND WHATEVER IS IN YOUR BASEMENT!

*nervous laugh* They say there's a little truth behind every joke...
I know some folks like to brag about their guns because they like to intimidate and send everyone the message of "don't mess with me". Not that productive, IMHO.

Crappy luck.. yeah.. a bit of an understatement.. Too bad people have to lose their lives before people will understand and respect the danger of a deadly weapon- what the hello is someone thinking who cleans a gun when it's loaded?

[Iggy]

Originally Posted by repeal17thamendment

Huh what does that mean?
Are you even LDS? Because if you truly are, then you would know in an instant what Walking the other side of the Veil meant.
Frankly I don't understand why so many women have made so many moderately sized posts in a gun thread. In life as well as on this forum, women are allowed to make comments, you posted in the Preparedness section. A good number of women are moderators here so I would watch my P' & Q's and keep the attitude tempered down. I thought it was obvious but this thread is not speaking to women. I accept the reality that men and women are vastly DIFFERENT. I honestly think you ladies would be a little annoyed if a bunch of guys showed up in a thread about scented candles just to go on and on about how "I'm not into that."

I just have no urge to go into crocheting threads and say "that's not for me why do you do that, why do you like crocheting so much?"

If you wanted to get into that, why didn't you start a thread instead of interjecting into a thread where it doesn't belong? You interjected the comments about crocheting, and as a woman, crocheting won't help a tinkers bit when it comes to preparedness.As much as I would love to ignore it, your statement is so factually incorrect it sticks out like a sore thumb. You don't seem to notice that your extreme claim that "Jefferson was wrong...completely" is presented in an extremely NARROW way. You glaringly ignore the big picture (because Jefferson was proved to be CORRECT if you look at more than one millimeter of the picture such as a couple years of exports). The statement you made was very irresponsible from the perspective of honest debate. The only way to hold your opinion about that is to ignore 90% of the picture. What Jefferson SAID would happen has happened. Are you just unaware of how corporations have completely taken over the marketplace? Are you just avoiding the obvious truth that since 1913, the PRIVATE federal reserve has inflated the currency and made it TOTALLY FIAT (meaning unbacked by anything). Have you bothered to look at your dollar bill lately and compare it to a dollar bill from before 1933 when we had HONEST money?

From the tone of your post here, you are out for a fight-argument. Not only have I commented here, but I have reported you. I don't come to this forum to have people sign up, start a post just to argue, demean, belittle and degrade MY on-line family.

Get over yourself!