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11-15-2008, 12:12 PM
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I don't trust the national tv media for the most part. I think they have and agenda for most everything they do. So when I see something like that and think of the personality of most polynesians I know I take it with a huge huge grain of salt. Most I know are fun loving and good natured, but if you push them they will push back and you can't be suprised that you land on your fanny. Do we need to be peacful? (of course) I am thinking of christ's life though and he had moments of righteous anger a time or two. I am not saying what happened because I don't think national tv media could tell an unbiased story if their career depended on it.
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11-15-2008, 09:12 PM
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Perhaps it is time bring legal suits against the group.
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11-16-2008, 12:14 AM
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The media crew were there when it happened, but did not show it at all. That is all I can say. I'm sure those boys/men were quite fired up. I bet I would be too. Emotional response in this circumstance was unwise, though.
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11-16-2008, 01:02 AM
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I mean no disrespect Skippy but I had to laugh out loud at your thoughts of them looking like thugs. Shoot that would be the majority of people I see on a day to day basis then. Even I wear tshirts and hoodies a majority of the time. To think I would have to dress up to show my disgust over something is a bit extreme to me.
I, as well, don't see the whole story based on that video. So I don't know the entire story. But I do have to applaud their bravery on tearing down signs in a large crowd of protestors. I don't know if I would be that brave. Whether they did it righteously or not...I don't know. I can't tell by that video.
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11-16-2008, 01:32 AM
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Found this blog and (I think) would give an accurate description of the other side of the story:
On Prop 8–Who Owns the Hate? Beetle Blogger
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Prop. 8 Protesters Besiege L.A. Mormon Temple
By Kathleen Gilbert
LOS ANGELES, November 7, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Same-sex “marriage” supporters took to the streets of LA Thursday and swarmed around the gates of the Mormon Temple in Westwood, where they waved signs and shouted threats at the church establishment for its role in the success of Proposition 8, the true marriage ballot initiative.
Hundreds of protesters, bearings signs with such messages as “Don’t teach hate!” and “Mormons have 10 wives - I can’t have one?” chanted in front of the temple and scrawled graffiti on its gates.
“Tax the Mormon Church!” one protester chanted. “How dare they legislate against love!” another shouted to an AP camera.
What the protesters do not and cannot understand is that the churches stance on this issue is unequivocal, and will never ever change. Many of the blogs are suggesting that protest, and public opinion will cause the Church to eventually lift the sanctions on homosexuality, and change Church policy. Not only is the intolerance remarkably hypocritical, but the semi-terrorist activities, harassment, and active trespassing & vandalism revealing the true colors of the protesters.
The following information is from a letter I received. The account was originally posted here:
Dear Friends,
It’s getting ugly in LA. Hopefully it will die down in a few days, but for now it’s ugly. I received the following from a good friend who just got back from the LA temple grounds:
I was there…crazy…after i asked a cop if i could take down the mean signs…and he said he wouldn’t stop me….i went about tearing signs down off the temple fence and got harassed for it…and two people tried to grab them out of my hands …they kept blocking my path…trying to get me to stop pulling their hate posters down….one even physically put their hand on me to stop me…i finally dropped the signs and walked away….. they also put graffiti on the outside temple fence walls…they wouldn’t let people drive out of the temple parking lot….they yelled, waved signs….flipped off the temple….sat in the middle of the road and wouldn’t let cars go by…..i can’t believe this!!! it started at 2 pm today…i didn’t get there til about 7 pm…but when i left around 11 pm… they were still going….a fight broke out between a Tongan girl and a no on prop 8 person…then the Tongan Mormons jumped in to protect her…..a girl got her nose bashed it….unfortunately i missed this part because i was running around the other side of the temple looking for my friend….after the people wouldn’t leave me alone….no worries…I’m home safe….please pray for these people..they need help! sorry for all the rambles…just a little fired up…
Please pray for the members in California, and for the temples there. Threats are being made against both.
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11-16-2008, 07:14 PM
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It's being looked into as a hate crime? It's a hate crime to get upset with people for posting signs and writing on the walls of the Temple gates? You know, private property. . . Amazing. . .
Edit: the article, the pictures, and the comments in that last article you posted were rather interesting skippy. Thanks for sharing.
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11-16-2008, 09:36 PM
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Okay just my pet peeve. Why do we have to say an angry group of Samoans or Tongans? Why not just an angry group of LDS men? If it had been a bunch of white guys..We sure wouldn't have said...Wow an angry bunch of white guys.......
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11-16-2008, 10:37 PM
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Okay just my pet peeve. Why do we have to say an angry group of Samoans or Tongans? Why not just an angry group of LDS men? If it had been a bunch of white guys..We sure wouldn't have said...Wow an angry bunch of white guys.......
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You lack a sense of humor don't you? This isn't about racism.
And yes, a group of ticked-off Polys coming towards me would scare me a little more then some nerdy, pasty-white California Mormon kids. But I'm man enough to admit it. I guess being PC isn't my thing.
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11-16-2008, 10:43 PM
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Yes you are right. I have absolutely NO sense of humor at all.
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Where's that pesky LOL button? I lost it around here somewhere.
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