This is so crazy

[WillowTheWhisp]

and they call... probably should say called USA a free country

Those words could probably equally be used by gay couples who feel they no longer have the freedom to live as they wish too.

Not that I'm saying the anti-Mormon backlash is acceptable but it is understandable as the Church has been very vociferous on the subject.

[FunkyTown]

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp

Those words could probably equally be used by gay couples who feel they no longer have the freedom to live as they wish too.

Not that I'm saying the anti-Mormon backlash is acceptable but it is understandable as the Church has been very vociferous on the subject.

Yep. As long as it stays to just demonstrations, good on them: Standing up and using your right to assembly and free speech is perfectly acceptable, even if I disagree with what they're saying.

[MarginOfError]

Originally Posted by Starfish

True. But where is the objection from those of the Gay Right community who don't agree with the "noise"? They seem very quiet, and that quiet is too easily interpreted as agreement.

It's the same quiet that we get from feminists concerning the blatant disrespect towards women as seen in pornography. Where's the outcry?

Why do well organized homosexual groups need to say anything. Go look at where all the calls to boycott mormons are coming from. Actually, I'm sure you won't, so here's a list of the websites where you can find these calls


Bligbi.com -- The ramblings of a non-apologetic militant atheist mom doing time in the lonestar state on atheism, religion, feminism, politics and current events.

botcottmormonbusiness.com (Run by one guy)

Stop All Monsters (oooo...blogspot...that's serious)

www.stopthemormons.com (Has about 50 comments. Seems to get very low traffic).

There was one seemingly leading group that had the provided information about the boycott. That was Stop8. Then again, Stop8 is also running links to articles such as this one that blame the No on 8 campaign for the loss for running a really lousy campaign. The site appears to be a clearing house of all things commenting on the issue. Then again, judging by the slogan of the site, I have my doubts that it's a serious group that anyone really pays any attention to. The slogan is "Why should we care about equality? Because people are getting [shammed] and it's not cool." (I replaced the expletives for this audience). This one clearly isn't a top-notch organization.

What's more, if you were to venture into the Church's newsroom, you'd see statements from some prominent leaders in the homosexual community that speak against the backlash against Mormons, including the Anti-Defamation League, Dale Carpenter or the Independent Gay Forum and Charles C. Haynes of the First Amendment Center

Whereas the following leading groups in the No on Prop 8 campaign have no prominent displays encouraging a boycott or protest against the Church
Join the Impact
The Human Rights Campaign
No on Prop 8

[DigitalShadow]

Originally Posted by prisonchaplain

I'm sorry, but no, this is hypocrisy at its worst. When Christians boycotted firms that supported pornography (seems like this was common in the 80s) we were accused of the worst sort of censorship, of bullying, intimidation, and, of course, supressing free speech. Anyone remember Larry Flynt's repeated antics...playing the victim against the alleged tyranny of the "puritanic religious right?'

Of course, now that the Left is doing so, it's their right, it's a form of free speech...it is political speech. IMHO, those on the social left get plenty of "free speech,"--especially from the media. It's those of us who are social traditionalists that seem to pay dearly for our voice to be heard.

Hypocrisy by who? I honestly don't give a crap what Christians boycotted in the 80's and I would be willing to bet I'm not the only one. You can't just lump people in with "the left" and then hold them accountable for every action by someone who you perceive is a part of "the left."

[DeborahC]

There's plenty of bigotry and hatred coming from the so-called "Christian" camps also.

Hateful people will be hateful people.
You can't change them.
You can only change your reaction to them.

[millionaire13]

I don't really care what people do in their personal lives. I'm not telling them their immoral or making judgment. What I am strongly opposed to is how it would affect schools, churches and my personal family. School curriculums would change (as they already have in Massachusetts) to include information about gay lifestyles and it be presented as a lifestyle option. Being the taxpayer that I am who gives thousands of dollars to the system, I don't want to pay to have my children indoctrinated that the gay lifestyle is an option for them. That is my right as a citizen of this country to vote my moral conscience. I do morally object, but it does not mean I judge others; each has to judge for themselves what is acceptable to them. I think our country has gone to far in extending "rights" we have extended so many rights that we have lost many of them. We should all have EQUAL rights, but no group should be allowed SPECIAL rights.

[DigitalShadow]

Originally Posted by millionaire13

I don't really care what people do in their personal lives. I'm not telling them their immoral or making judgment. What I am strongly opposed to is how it would affect schools, churches and my personal family. School curriculums would change (as they already have in Massachusetts) to include information about gay lifestyles and it be presented as a lifestyle option. Being the taxpayer that I am who gives thousands of dollars to the system, I don't want to pay to have my children indoctrinated that the gay lifestyle is an option for them. That is my right as a citizen of this country to vote my moral conscience. I do morally object, but it does not mean I judge others; each has to judge for themselves what is acceptable to them. I think our country has gone to far in extending "rights" we have extended so many rights that we have lost many of them. We should all have EQUAL rights, but no group should be allowed SPECIAL rights.

Good point. Let's start by removing all SPECIAL rights that religious groups have, including their tax exempt status. After all, I am an atheist and pay thousands of dollars in taxes and don't want my money going to religious brain washing.

[Maya]

THIS was good I think: Meridian Magazine:: Family Leader Network: Violence and Religious Intimidation: No Place in Civil Society
Yes! Dont go to the same as Europa did! I sure hope you can manage it that the religions wont be allowed to be put down like they do in Europe!
Maybe there is light in the tunnel after all...

[Maya]

Originally Posted by DigitalShadow

Good point. Let's start by removing all SPECIAL rights that religious groups have, including their tax exempt status. After all, I am an atheist and pay thousands of dollars in taxes and don't want my money going to religious brain washing.

Remove tax exemptstatus.... no way

The system here goes like this: we pay 10% and get back a few %. Before we got nothing back, but so did not those giving money to carity either, now we all get something back. BUT then again we have to pay taxes that are delt also to the states Church=Lutheran. So everybody paying taxes pay for Lutheran Church. Norwegean LDs has also denied to take the aid state gives to assemblies and such in ordet not to be in a situation where the state is able to blackmail us with the aidmoney.
In Finland LDS church members get nothig back and do not need to pay the "churchtaxes" that go to Lutheran church, no one gets anything back, even if they donate to charity. I dont think they get any aid either from state there.

Much of the donations go to the needy. So to screw down that pipe might stop people donating to the needy and church help systems. However 10% would be payed anyway....

[DigitalShadow]

Originally Posted by Mailis

THIS was good I think: Meridian Magazine:: Family Leader Network: Violence and Religious Intimidation: No Place in Civil Society
Yes! Dont go to the same as Europa did! I sure hope you can manage it that the religions wont be allowed to be put down like they do in Europe!
Maybe there is light in the tunnel after all...

Violence and intimidation have no place in a civil society, whether related to religion or sexual orientation or anything else. Critizicism of religions is (and should remain) allowed in this society.