Can WE Trust Our Bible?

[Maxel]

JohnnyRudick, your posts makes me so much more grateful for the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the phenomenon Neil A. Maxwell called the 'synchronization of the spirit'.

[JohnnyRudick]

The adage really applies here. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

The corrupted texts referred to are the ones I have been warning you about.
They are the text from the Vatican library, and from a waste basket in a monastery near Mt. Sinai.
These texts were developed by a scholar named Origen of Alexandra Egypt.
With the help of the likes of Irenaeus, Aquilla and Cyprian.
The contents of these Manuscripts were had by the King James translators in the form of Jerome's Latin version of the Bible and the Rheims bible from France.

We are told by most sources today Jerome translated from the Hebrew.
Yet his translation agrees with the Corrupt texts the above scholars, yet against the Masoretic text of the Hebrews.
Yes, Jerome's Latin Vulgate did agree with the 1582 Rheims version.

The King James translators knew better then to use these translations as they knew they were based on leavened manuscripts.
Most of the Scholars today know better also, yet...

As said earlier, these corrupt texts were had from Egypt. Alexandria Egypt.
The source of these corrupt, leavened bibles we are buried in today are from those Alexandrian philosophers of northern Egypt

These are mainly the texts of the bible that we are warned about in;

1 Nephi 13:25 Wherefore, these things go forth from the Jews in
purity unto the Gentiles, according to the truth which is in God.

1 Nephi 13:26 And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve
apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest
the formation of a great and abominable church, which is most
abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken
away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and
most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they
taken away.

1 Nephi 13:27 And all this have they done that they might pervert
the right ways of the Lord, that they might blind the eyes and
harden the hearts of the children of men.

1 Nephi 13:28 Wherefore, thou seest that after the book hath gone
forth through the hands of the great and abominable church, that
there are many plain and precious things taken away from the
book, which is the book of the Lamb of God.



Those corrupt texts have had a very comfortable existence through out history.
Why?
They have been under the protection of the Roman Church.

The adage really applies here. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

These texts from the Vatican library were found in a waste basket in a monastery near Mt. Sinai.
These texts were developed by a scholar named Origen of Alexandra Egypt.
With the help of the likes of Irenaeus, Aquilla and Cyprian.


The contents of these Manuscripts were available to the King James translators in the form of Jerome's Latin version of the Bible and the Rheims bible from France and they chose to ignore these texts as they were considered unreliable.

We are told by most sources today Jerome translated from the Hebrew.
Yet his translation agrees with the Corrupt texts the above scholars, and against the Masoretic text of the Hebrews.

Yes, Jerome's Latin Vulgate did agree with the 1582 Rheims version of the Catholic Church and against the TR in critical places.

The King James translators knew better then to use these translations as they knew they were based on leavened manuscripts.
Most of the Scholars today are familiar with the true history of these texts yet they in their criticisms in most cases argue in favor of the Egyptian texts.




The KJB is based mostly on the TR or the "SYRIAN" or Byzantine text which is identical I'm told with the prevalent Greek text of the Middle Ages;

It is not the Latin Vulgate!
It is the Greek Vulgate of the first and second centuries, and it stands in opposition to the Egyptian texts, of the Vaticanus-B which the other Vatican manuscripts agree the most with, the ( being the best represented of them.



The KJB from the Syrian text, which had it's beginnings in Antioch, Syria.
This is the Bible.
This is the Book quoted by God in the Book of Mormon.
It leaves a trail of blood that can be traced through-out history.
From where they were first called Christians, Acts 11:26, to "the end" this trail crimson trail is easily traced.
The old common Latin (not the high Latin of the scholars) of the Donatists, Montanists, Novatians, and Waldenses survived against persecution beyond belief.

The King James translators had three of these Bibles.
They had the works of Beza, Erasmus, and Stephanus, the Complutensian and the Antwerp Polyglots.

These Masoretic, Syrian and the Ana-Baptist Bibles all stood together against the Vatican bibles of France, Rome, and Egypt.

The King James translators were much more cautious then modern Bible perverters.




Next when I can come back I will start with;
Origen

[Islander]

In my former occupation we called this corruption: "a 1 degree of inferential variation."

I will feed you enough accurate information as to provide a sense of confidence that "validates the source" of the information. Soon after, we provide points of critical and unequivocal truthful evidence and the recipient stops questioning the source and the information. This is where we introduce the variance that ONLY deviates 1 degree from accuracy. You begin to base your analysis, plans, forecasts, projections and actions on the previously obtain data and source but with every passing minute you are getting further and further away from fact. Although initially small, on a linear progression 1 degree will take light years away from your intended target as time goes on. Can you imagine what can happen in 2000 years of "logical" erroneous thinking? They were willing to kill to preserve the status quo.

"Tradition is the hardest cement you've ever seen..." grandma just to say.

[JohnnyRudick]

Originally Posted by Islander

In my former occupation we called this corruption: "a 1 degree of inferential variation."

I will feed you enough accurate information as to provide a sense of confidence that "validates the source" of the information. Soon after, we provide points of critical and unequivocal truthful evidence and the recipient stops questioning the source and the information. This is where we introduce the variance that ONLY deviates 1 degree from accuracy. You begin to base your analysis, plans, forecasts, projections and actions on the previously obtain data and source but with every passing minute you are getting further and further away from fact. Although initially small, on a linear progression 1 degree will take light years away from your intended target as time goes on. Can you imagine what can happen in 2000 years of "logical" erroneous thinking? They were willing to kill to preserve the status quo.

"Tradition is the hardest cement you've ever seen..." grandma just to say.

uh, OK

[JohnnyRudick]

Origen

1 Nephi 13:26 And after they go forth by the hand of the twelve
apostles of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles, thou seest
the formation of a great and abominable church, which is most
abominable above all other churches; for behold, they have taken
away from the gospel of the Lamb many parts which are plain and
most precious; and also many covenants of the Lord have they
taken away.

1 Nephi 13:27 And all this have they done that they might pervert
the right ways of the Lord, that they might blind the eyes and
harden the hearts of the children of men.


Origen's first work in "Textual Criticism" was his famous Hexapla.
That is Hex- app-le.
I call it a Hex apple.
You know.
Like the one Sleeping Beauty got sweet talked into taking a bite out of.
(Got her into trouble it did.)

Gen. 15:12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep
fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon
him.

(Got them into trouble it did.)


Or more to the point;

Isaiah 29:10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit
of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your
rulers, the seers hath he covered.
(Got them into trouble it did.)


Of course it was a six column language comparison of translations.
The first column contained what was left of the Masoretic text after Origen and friends got through with it.

The second column was a Greek transliteration of the first column.

The third contained the Greek version of a man named Aquilla.
He is the man that gave us the legend of the northern mercenary soldier named Panther who went to Bethlehem and became the father of a blond blue eyed Jew named Jesus Christ.
He thought the Greek word for "virgin" was a mistake and thought it aught to be Panther. Humm.

The forth column is from a Scholar named Symmachus.

The fifth column is the work of Origen himself.
This was the first Greek Old Testament ever made.
Through Catholic Tradition this Column took on the role of a pre-Christian book.
It was first concocted in the early 200's A.D.
It was not B.C.
But to this day it is referred to as the LXX or Septuagint by writers who have not looked enough into it themselves and just pass along old myths.
The only place where 50 can actually be tied to this outside of tradition, is
Eusebius (340 A.D.) had fifty copies of this fifth column published for Constantine and the Church at Rome.
Hence the Vaticanus books, complete with the books of Judith, Tobit, Esdras, Maccabees, the Epistle of Barnabas, etc.
From this we have the Shepherd of Hermes.
A young man watching a girl bathing, and although he loves her "as a sister," you understand, and she is caught up to heaven to reveal twenty pages of "Biblical" prophecy to him and she rebukes him for committing adultery in his heart. Right.
What is this young prophetess' name who is preaching to this young man?
She is Lady Dame. You figure it out.
And then she has been assumed up into heaven she has the right to be God's oracle for a dozen pages.

Wescott and Hort say this is one of the "most reliable manuscripts."
Uh-huh, right.

The sixth column is from one named Theodotian.
He is the one who gave us such memorable scripture as Matt.1:16 "And Jacob the father of Joseph, to whom was betrothed the virgin Mary, was the father of Jesus who is called Christ."
We find this verse in the footnote of the RSV with the comment, "other ancient authorities read..."
This was Theodotian's opinion of what should be there.
He had no authority for that insertion.
So how did Theodotian's opinion of a translation of another version, get to be called an "ancient authority?"
During the time when the Gospel to the Gentiles was delivered to Paul the center of Church activity moved from Jerusalem to Antioch, (Acts 11:26.) not Alexandria.
It, Antioch, became the starting point for Paul's journeys. Acts 13:1&2.
Also Mark, Barnabas, and Silas, and Peter were there.
If you study the book of Acts it is easy to see that it was Antioch Syria and not Alexandria Egypt that was the center of Church activity.
(Acts 11:22-30, 13:1-4, 14:21- 27,15:5-35,Gal.2:11.
As a matter of fact no Apostle was ever sent into Egypt.

The Scripture did not tell them to go to Egypt for food.

Egypt has always been portrayed in the Scriptures as a "type" of the world system.
This world system has always been opposed to the things of God. Egypt has always been known as the land of Ham.
Another subject perhaps?

God would not allow Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob to stay there.
South was a very bad direction to travel.
Abraham was to stay in the land and trust God.
Yet he went into Egypt and got him self into trouble. Gen.12: 9-13.
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were not to go to Egypt.
They were to trust God. Gen. 26:2&3.
Jacob disobeyed God and moved his whole family to Egypt.

You say God gave permission for Jacob to go?
Yes, after he had already sent his sons to buy corn and they had already gotten themselves into trouble.
God made a way to preserve them in spite of their disobedience.
He rose up a Moses to save them from their sin and lead them through the waters of salvation.

They were not to go to Egypt for food.

God would not even let their bones remain in Egypt. Gen.50:25.


Joseph in this account is a "type" of the Lord Jesus Christ who would deliver us from Egypt.
He would even save us even though we went to Egypt on purpose.
But once he has fed us, we must allow Moses (Deut.18:14&15,34:10,Acts 7: 37-41.) to lead us out of Egypt.
By the way,
Canaan land is not heaven.
It is an "Embassy" of Heaven.
Think about it.

Canaan is refuge from Egypt, but it is not Heaven.

God called Israel out of Egypt. Exodus 3:10. Hosea 11:1.
God called Jesus out of Egypt. Matt.2:14&15.
God calls you and me out of Egypt. Isaiah 30:1.

But the Men of the Bible correctors league tell us otherwise.
Jer.43: 2. "Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin: That walk to go down into Egypt, and have not asked at my mouth; to strengthen themselves in the strength of Pharaoh,"

In the Scripture "Pharaoh" is a "type" of Satan, or the Anti-Christ. "and to trust in the shadow of Egypt!"

How much do you worship Egypt?
Do you send your Children to Egypt for training and counsel?
Oh, yeah. Government School.
Well, that's another story.

"O my children are "lights" to the outside world."
Do you send untrained children into the battle to do the work of a trained soldier?
Plus we are to be lights on a lamp stand, not down there in the midst of the darkness. (Matt.5:15&16.Rev.1: 12-13.
We are to stand apart. (2Cor.6:17&18)


It is plain to see that the Philosophers would be a people who would add leaven to the words of God. (Acts 17:18, Col.2:8.)
Egypt and the Philosophers would be the "last people on Earth" you would trust in doctrinal matters as pertaining to the words of a Holy God.
Psalm 1:1 "Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in His law doth he meditate night and day."
Note the progression in this verse.

Progression
1. First you take counsel from the ungodly. You send your children to be "schooled" by these people. I even refer to a "Church" school, or a "Bible" college.

I'm convinced that no matter how well you have trained your children, you send them to one of those places, unless you have "some special child," they will destroy your child's faith in not only the three standard works of our Church but even the Book that they the professors of religion profess to believe in, God's holy Bible!

You have the responsibility of training up your children.
(Gen.18:19, Deut. 4:10,6:6&7, Prov.22:6.)
Not Egypt.(Isaiah 30:1.)

2. If you do take the counsel of the ungodly or have your children to do so, then you find yourself "standing in the way of sinners."
You and/or your children will be walking their walk, and talking their talk.

3. Finally you will be "sitting in the seat of the scornful."
You or your children will be the teachers of error.
You or your children will be defenders of the ungodly.


"Vice is a monster of so frightful mien, as to be hated needs but to be seen.
Yet seen to oft, familiar with her face,
(1.)first we endure,
(2.) then pity,
(3.) then embrace."


You have the Texts written and edited by Origin and friends in Alexandria Egypt who worshiped Plato, Socrates, Aristotle, Pliny, Plutarch, Herodotus, Marcion, etc.

The source of "leaven" in Jerome's Latin Vulgate (345A.D.)
This accounts for the account of two Latin texts during the "Dark Ages" (599A.D.- 1520A.D.)


Because the other one came up from Antioch Syria, in the Church of Jesus Christ through the hands of the Waldensians, Albigensians, Huguenots, etc. in a trail of persecution and blood.

The other one of Egypt and Rome, and perversions of the Greek text by Jerome, is the text preserved in the monasteries by the Dominicans, Franciscans, Benedictines, and officials of the Spanish Inquisition.

Take your pick.



Bro. Rudick