UFC and MMA

[ninjormon]

Originally Posted by KoalaBear

Put a ninjustu guy into an octagon with a readied MMA fighter, he'd last 30 seconds... Maximum!

Youre right about the 30 seconds thing but to the wrong effect. Ninjitsu is designed to end fights guickly by using pressure points and other concepts of martial arts. In MMA the RULES would prevent a ninjitsu practioner from using ninjitsu, by that I mean shots to the throat, eye gouging, crotch shots, hammer fist,(designed to kill), certain holds, etc. Come on man, do you think that a wrestler would slug it out with Kimbo Slice? Not gonna happen. You play to your strengths and your strengths are the other persons weaknesses. Also it is a ninjas duty to study other martial arts as well.

I think its awesome supermom that you and your husband practice together, my wife and I do too. I think it's a good activity, it builds trust, teaches valuable techniques, and it's good cheap clean fun. The human weapon is a good tool here are 4 links to a collage of all of the different martial arts. Also look up Choson Ninja on youtube for a couple hundred different techniques, he trains law enforcement and marines.

YouTube - Human Weapon Techniques Collage - Part 1
YouTube - Human Weapon Techniques Collage - Part 2
YouTube - Human Weapon Techniques Collage - Part 3
YouTube - Human Weapon Techniques Collage - Part 4

[ninjormon]

I thought of a way to put it in an anology, tell a carpenter to build a house but take away his tools, the house may get built but would just take longer, the rules of the sport take away the tools of a ninja.

[TheyCallMeMom]

right.. but the point of the UFC is mostly for entertainment, but you don't lose the purpose of MMA.. Mixed Martial Arts is a wonderful and useful tool.. I am sure anyone of these fighters have the full potential to defend themselves should the situation arise.. but they are not trying to kill their opponent.. as their opponent is not trying to kill them.. its a match, to see who's can execute their skills better..

that showyou posted was a neat one.. My kids watched it a while back.. it was a physics lesson

[KoalaBear]

Originally Posted by ninjormon

Youre right about the 30 seconds thing but to the wrong effect. Ninjitsu is designed to end fights guickly by using pressure points and other concepts of martial arts. In MMA the RULES would prevent a ninjitsu practioner from using ninjitsu, by that I mean shots to the throat, eye gouging, crotch shots, hammer fist,(designed to kill), certain holds, etc. Come on man, do you think that a wrestler would slug it out with Kimbo Slice? Not gonna happen. You play to your strengths and your strengths are the other persons weaknesses. Also it is a ninjas duty to study other martial arts as well.

Please, please please leave Kimbo out of this. I actually quite like the guy, but he is not to the calibre of a mixed martial artist and is at least another year of Bas' tuition before being considered as such.

In a street fight, even in such an enviroment, a skilled MMA fighter will be able to pick apart any traditionalist. Well rounded skills and the ability to switch levels, keep distance and use effective lateral movement is too much for most traditionalist to handle. Have you seen the old video of Royce Gracie fighting a Kung Fu practitioner, some one who had been trained to "kill"? Royce had him crying like a girl within a few seconds. And he wasn't even breathing hard enough to blow out a candle!

As i said, MMA is the final stages of perfecting martial arts. It is just a matter of fine tuning and further progression and mixing up different styles that will see the final results come sooner.

MIXED being the key word, and 3-4 different styles rolled into one fighter is always going to beat one style that the practitioner has never even tested his "killing" strikes to their full effectiveness.

[BenRaines]

I have not seen it but in the early days the Gracie's took on all comers. They fought black belts, judo masters and all sorts. None of them could beat the Gracies.

We trained in ground fighting with the police department. No one should stand up and box an opponent. Take them to the ground and control them is the way to defeat an opponent.

Ben Raines

[Faded]

Originally Posted by ninjormon

Youre right about the 30 seconds thing but to the wrong effect. Ninjitsu is designed to end fights guickly by using pressure points and other concepts of martial arts. In MMA the RULES would prevent a ninjitsu practioner from using ninjitsu, by that I mean shots to the throat, eye gouging, crotch shots, hammer fist,(designed to kill), certain holds, etc. Come on man, do you think that a wrestler would slug it out with Kimbo Slice? Not gonna happen. You play to your strengths and your strengths are the other persons weaknesses. Also it is a ninjas duty to study other martial arts as well.

I think its awesome supermom that you and your husband practice together, my wife and I do too. I think it's a good activity, it builds trust, teaches valuable techniques, and it's good cheap clean fun. The human weapon is a good tool here are 4 links to a collage of all of the different martial arts. Also look up Choson Ninja on youtube for a couple hundred different techniques, he trains law enforcement and marines.

The Ultimate Fighting Championship signaled the death of a lot of long held Hollywood delusions. One of those delusions was that a stand-up fighter like Chuck Norris was the best type of fighter. Another is that mastery one single martial arts discipline is better than cross-training into every martial arts discipline. Ninjitsu has seen a measure of success in the UFC because it is a fairly well-rounded discipline. But the ninja tends to get over-hyped by Hollywood. Yes they are lethal ... just like every other martial arts style. They also train ground and stand-up, which is getting on the right track. But to say that they would be the most lethal discipline if you throw out all rules -- I think that is recreating the myth that the ninja is unbeatable, without having to prove any of it. Historically, if ninjitsu was as effective in comparison to other styles as it is hyped up to be, then we should see a historical record piled very very high with dead Emperors and dead Shoguns. Afterall, a ninja is nothing more and nothing less than a trained assassin. The historical success of ninjas in successfully assassinating their targets is very comparable to Europe in the Middle Ages. They had lethal skills, but so did their targets and the guards of their targets.

One thing I think you are missing here -- Brazillian jujitsu has held a dominant position in MMA for the same reasons you mention: Killing and incapacitating moves. More than that, Brazillian jujitsu represents one of the most significant and successful efforts to cross train fighters into all areas. As things have progressed, the more cross-trained a fighter was, the more successful they were. It is very interesting that Far-Eastern practitioners have seen very limited success despite being the originators of most of the martial arts being used. Much of that comes down to their stubborn tradition against cross-training. Because of the fanatical loyalty to a single style of combat, MMA is instead being dominated by the USA, Brazil, Russia, etc.

[KoalaBear]

Ok, just to clarify. Chuck Norris is a Brazillian Jiu Jitsu black belt.

If i can knock a person out before taking them down, i'm doing that.

And. Brazillian Jiu Jitsu is not a dominant style in MMA. MMA is the dominant style of MMA. If any single style could be said as MMA's most dominant, it would probably be wrestling or Muay Thai.

[Gatsby]

I can't stand UFC, MMA...can't stand it! I love boxing and I even train(not trying to become an amateur boxer or professional boxer) I just can't stand watching it. I've tried before but I perfer boxing over MMA.

[Faded]

Originally Posted by KoalaBear

Ok, just to clarify. Chuck Norris is a Brazillian Jiu Jitsu black belt.

Never have seen him do anything with it. At this point, he's too old to show us his jui jitsu skills in the ring, so I guess it's hard to say how good he really is/was/would be. If Chuck Norris would have been one of the all-time MMA legends, we'll never truly know.

If i can knock a person out before taking them down, i'm doing that.

That's why I love what Chuck Liddell and others like him did for MMA. They re-established the importance of stand-up fighting by finding ways to keep the best grapplers from taking them down.

And. Brazillian Jiu Jitsu is not a dominant style in MMA. MMA is the dominant style of MMA. If any single style could be said as MMA's most dominant, it would probably be wrestling or Muay Thai.

I think Brazillian Jui Jitzu is doing very well for itself -- but just like every other style, it is not the full package by itself. It has some holes that can be exploited, just like every other style.

Wrestling as the most dominant within MMA? Which kind? Greco-Roman, Freestyle, Sambo, Jui Jitzu, Judo or one of the other types of wrestling? Wrestling really better describes the category of physical combat where striking is either limited or prohibited and there are lots of types of it. So yeah, you're right, but I don't see your point.

My point on jui jitsu is simple: It is the grappling style containing the set of tools that continues to be absolutely crucial to the success or failure of any MMA fighter.

I would agree that Muay Thai has done extremely well for itself.