H.S. 100-0 win (unsportsman like IMO)

[Dr T]

Ok, Jenamarie no offense intended. U asked, I got it, NP.

[Honor]

Originally Posted by Dr T

I love this quote from this article "a victory without honor is a great loss."

I HAVE to agree with you there T. Not having Honor on the winning team is always a great loss.

[siouxz72]

The point that I have issue with is the fact that Covenant kept up the full court press, etc, etc. They could have let up on the full court press and let the other school at least play a little. You know? Not give up points or let up on pressure in the half court but at least let the other girls run a couple of plays and if they broke them up..fine. Good for them. They were obviously the better team.

Also, I think the part that stuck in everyone's craw here was the reaction of the parents and the assistant coach. From the descriptions I've heard, it seemed almost blood thirsty. That could be an overexaggeration on the sensitive parties side, but you see what I'm saying?

I think there definitely needs to be a balance in sports. We see it all the time in pro sports. These guys will practically knock each other out and then take the time to help the fallen player up, pat him on the bum and say a quick word of support. You hear about professional players who've known each other since high school or college and end up on opposing teams have dinner before or after a game, but on the court or field it's all business. And there's no offense taken as long as everyone's playing a clean game. I think that's the point I would drive home to my kids if they had any interest in sports.. play your hardest and play a clean game.

okay..I'll get off my soap box now.

[Jenamarie]

Originally Posted by siouxz72

The point that I have issue with is the fact that Covenant kept up the full court press, etc, etc. They could have let up on the full court press and let the other school at least play a little.

okay..I'll get off my soap box now.

According to what their coach says in this article, they DID let up on full-court press, *3 minutes* into the game. They also pulled out their Starters and put in their Bench Warmers.

The winning team's coach has now been fird for "un-Christ-like" conduct.

Covenant coach who beat Dallas Academy 100-0 is fired


06:04 AM CST on Monday, January 26, 2009
By BARRY HORN / The Dallas Morning News
bhorn@dallasnews.com

The Covenant School fired its girls basketball coach Sunday, the same day he posted a message on a youth basketball Web site saying he disagreed with school officials who had publicly apologized for the team's 100-0 victory over Dallas Academy.

In reporting the firing, Kyle Queal, Covenant's head of school, emphasized that former coach Micah Grimes "now only represents himself" when discussing the game, which has become a national talking point. Queal said he could not say whether the firing was a direct result of the posting and declined to answer any questions.

In a statement posted Sunday on Flight Basketball Academy :: Individual & Group Basketball Instruction :: Dallas, Texas, Grimes offered his first public comment since the story was first reported.

"I respectfully disagree with the apology, especially the notion that the Covenant School girls basketball team should feel 'embarrassed' or 'ashamed,' " part of the post says. "We played the game as it was meant to be played and would not intentionally run up the score on any opponent. Although a wide-margin victory is never evidence of compassion, my girls played with honor and integrity and showed respect to Dallas Academy."

Grimes also included the quarter-by-quarter scoring on his post: 35, 24, 29, 12.

At the end of his post on the Web site, which identifies him as co-founder of Flight Basketball, Grimes wrote, "So if I lose my job over these statements, I will walk away with my integrity."

Grimes did not teach or work at The Covenant School. He was in his fourth season as girls basketball coach, having built the program from a 2-19 record his first season to a state championship contender last season. Covenant, which plays larger out-of-district schools, is 6-3 this season and undefeated in its Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools district. It has informed TAPPS headquarters that it has chosen to forfeit the Dallas Academy game.

Grimes responded briefly to an e-mail request for an interview, indicating that he might speak at a future date.

On Thursday, Covenant posted a statement on its Web site that said it "regrets ... the outcome of the game with the Dallas Academy Varsity Girls Basketball team. It is shameful and an embarrassment that this happened. This clearly does not reflect a Christ-like and honorable approach to competition." It was signed by Queal and Todd Doshier, chairman of the school's board of trustees.

That was also the day the national spotlight began focusing on the game, following a report in The Dallas Morning News on the 100-point shutout on Jan. 13.

Dallas Academy coaches and administrators say Covenant kept the pressure on until it reached 100 points midway through the fourth quarter.

Until Sunday, Grimes hadn't made any public comments since he e-mailed The News on Wednesday night. In that e-mail, which was also sent to Queal and athletic director Brice Helton, Grimes called scoring 100 points "unfortunate."

"It just happened," he wrote. "Please know Covenant intended no harm against them. I see this as a real learning opportunity, so we can prevent this from happening in the future."

Grimes said in his Sunday post that his team stopped applying full-court defensive pressure after the score reached 25-0 three minutes into the game, then dropped into a relatively benign zone defense and began resting its starters in favor of its three bench players.

Dallas Academy coach Andrew Lott agreed that Covenant stopped pressing at that point but returned with an alternate press later in the game.

"I am 100 percent sure," said Lott, who estimated that his team was able to take seven shots all game.

Dallas Academy, renowned for its work with students who have learning disabilities, is winless this season and has not won a game in at least four seasons.

"He's entitled to his opinion," Lott said of Grimes' assessment of the game. "If you ask 10 people about it, you might get 10 different answers."

Lott said his team did not videotape the game, hosted by Covenant, but he is certain Covenant did.

"Maybe we could look at the tape," Lott said.

Cheryl Bugg, whose daughter is one of Covenant's top players, said she didn't want to talk about the firing.

She said the parents of the team's eight players met with school officials Saturday and outlined three goals for the program:

"We want to represent Christ with the highest respect, we don't want to humiliate anyone ever and we want our students to be enthusiastic in everything they do."

[Dr T]

Good thoughts on this interesting topic. Thanks for that

[Ghost_Rider]

Here is my $.02 for what its worth.
I used to play Select Baseball along time ago. It used to be as Rachel described. Even if you were getting blown away you played your tail off...NO matter what. If you started tanking plays as we calledit. It meant Extra laps during practice. I have been on both sides of the blow out deal. Trust me. I didnt want to go to practice. But I was told by my Dad that I signed a contract ( yes. At 13 I had to sign a contract for 2 years to play in the leuage) and MY tookis better be at practice. We discussed what went wrong. How they got so far ahead ( i think it was like 30-4). After all this practiceing basics, hitting and training the next team we played was really laxed about us due to our loss. We wanted to redeem ourselves from the beating we took and took it out on that team. we beat them 20-5. When we met the team that slaughtered us a month later we were ready for them. They were laxed. And we were on our "A" game. we didnt blow them away but we did win the game by 4. I learned a valuable lesson while playing ball. Never give up no matter what the odds are.
Now everything is so different. When I played for this leauge you were asked to try out. If you didnt make it you oculd come back next year and try again. Now there is no tryouts. Due to the fact that these kids will be hurt emotionaly if they fail? In another leauge I played in they have done the same thing. In my opinion this hurts the kids even more. Where as we had to play our hearts out to make the team. These kids just get to play and when they get beat like we did they dont have the coaches who take the time and sit them down and talk to them about how they can improve. they get a talk with all this head filling stuff that means absoulutly nothing on the outsie world. That or the coaches just yell at the poor kids and call them losers (I have seen this first hand on both accounts with my nephew and he quit because his team kept getting beat)
And dont get me started on the "Little Leuage Parent Syndrome" lol
Ok I am getting off the soapbox now..like i said. my opinion

[Dr T]

Yeah, to quit doesn't sounds so great either. And yes I hear u on the Little League Parent Syndrom (LLPS) Thanks GR

[Ghost_Rider]

You should see the Hockey Moms Doc...whoa..i thought the Dad's in Baseball where bad
The worst parent i have ever seen was when I was Umping a game. This guy kept telling me to get glasses and all kinds of stuff. Well...when I turned around and told him to cease and disist well..he didnt like a 17 year old telling him what to do. the couch that HIS son was on fetched a police officer once myself and the Adult umpire ejected him to his car...geesh...and Hockey Moms...wow..visious lil creatures they are!
I think that if the kids want to play the Parents should not be reliving thier child hood through them. I guess I was really lucky. Dad supported me. was there for all the games he could be there for and actually cheered for me. My fondest sports memory...when I hit my first home run at a young age. The first person there to congradulate me..my dad...got a high five and a hug....sorry for the warm and fussies there y'all...but I think this is what is missing from the youth organazations of today. mho

[Dr T]

That's good stuff GR! I know what u mean about the crazy parents! It messes up good stuff in sports sometimes!