I Am Unsure

[Christos]

I will be going to church this Sunday (New Years Day).

I am feeling an urge however to leave my home tomorrow, on my bike and to go out into the country where there are no distractions, there I will find the truth.

I do not know where I will go, it will have to be local as the days are short and there are no lights in the country.

I just find that there are too many distractions in the city and at home.


Only then the distractions will be myself, nature and God.

[BenRaines]

I often left my house and went out to the woods to pray and find a quiet time. Good luck on your search. Only you can do it for yourself.

[Setheus]

Originally posted by Christos@Dec 29 2005, 05:59 PM


To even believe in Jesus as the messiah is enough to have eternal life. It is this belief that saves us.

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So what you're saying is that I can kill all the men of your villiage, rape the horses and ride off on the women, and STILL go to heaven as long as I believe that Jesus is the Messiah and Lamb of God. After all, even our fallen brother Satan will attest to you that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of the Living God. Yet, oddly enough he isnt allowed into His Kingdom.

[begood2]

Originally posted by Setheus+Dec 30 2005, 07:00 PM-->

So what you're saying is that I can kill all the men of your village, rape the horses and ride off on the women, and STILL go to heaven as long as I believe that Jesus is the Messiah and Lamb of God. After all, even our fallen brother Satan will attest to you that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of the Living God. Yet, oddly enough he isn't allowed into His Kingdom.

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Setheus,

What was in that root beer you were drinking? I think that your mind got ahead of your typing...you might want to edit your post.

If you're talking about "raping horses / riding off on women", then I meant what I typed. Its a quote from a movie. And if thats not it, what would you have me to edit?

Setheus was here X

LOL Setheus,

I guess I just didn't understand.

[Christos]

Originally posted by Setheus+Dec 31 2005, 02:00 AM-->

So what you're saying is that I can kill all the men of your villiage, rape the horses and ride off on the women, and STILL go to heaven as long as I believe that Jesus is the Messiah and Lamb of God. After all, even our fallen brother Satan will attest to you that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of the Living God. Yet, oddly enough he isnt allowed into His Kingdom.

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May I just say that in the eyes of God all sins are equally condemnable. To sin is to fall short of the perfection of goodness.

Yes Satan does believe in Jesus, why wouldn't he? Satan fears Jesus immensly, it is Jesus who Satan hates the most yet he holds great fear for Jesus. Ever want to get Satan off your back? Read him a few verses from the bible (or scriptures) :P .
Tell him to flee and if that doesn't work remind him of Jesus, he will then realise the battle is lost and will leave.

As long as you have washed your sins in the blood of Christ (atonement) you are freed from sin. You may enter heaven.
The only sin that is unforgivable is to blaspheme against the holy spirit.


I haven't had a single eye shutter of sleep all night, I am up this morning as if I slept the night before. I have been studying the bible.

About the priesthood:
1Peter 2:1-5
1Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, all evil speakings,

2As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

3If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

4To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

5Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.


The Priesthood is those who believe in Christ.

I know it isn't looked on highly to use other translations than the 1611 King James Version but I find it useful to use modern translations as a means of clarification.

N.L.T.
Verses 4-5

4Come to Christ, who is the living cornerstone of God's temple. He was rejected by the people, but he is precious to God who chose him.
5And now God is building you, as living stones, into his spiritual temple. What's more, you are God's holy priests, who offer the spiritual sacrifices that please him because of Jesus Christ.


And the most literal translation of he bible, translated in the 19th century by Young. Young's Literal Translation.
Young translated the bible word for word trying to get the most accurate version and here is the the fourth and fifth verse again:

4to whom coming -- a living stone -- by men, indeed, having been disapproved of, but with God choice, precious,

5and ye yourselves, as living stones, are built up, a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.





I do not mean to cause offence but I think I might be better to leave for a while. It seems to be that the bible is the only scriptures necessary. No other scripture is necessary. Sure you could read the apocrypha and te Gnostic Gospels (which I have) but it all goes back to the bible. What is written in the Gnostic Gospels does not derive from the message of the good news thus not going against Galatians 1:6-9.

6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

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Should the truth be revealed to me in the form of the restoration of the church through Joseph Smith I will not ignore it, but I haven't felt the truth, only the urge to explore more.
Jesus said in John 14:6

6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

This pretty much sums it up for me. Jesus is the truth, the life and the way. It is only through him that we can obtain eternal life.

Originally posted by begood2+Dec 30 2005, 07:30 PM-->

Setheus,

What was in that root beer you were drinking? I think that your mind got ahead of your typing...you might want to edit your post.

If you're talking about "raping horses / riding off on women", then I meant what I typed. Its a quote from a movie. And if thats not it, what would you have me to edit?

Setheus was here X

LOL Setheus,

I guess I just didn't understand.

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There's no need to understand. He is who he is. Accept and love him or don't, but I will tell you that you are missing out on a very interesting person with great insight, a quick mind and rapier sharp wit.

[Lindy]

Originally posted by Christos@Dec 29 2005, 03:43 PM
I think the hardest thing for me to accept is probably the Apostacy, the idea that God would give his only son and then years later turn his back to the world is horrific.

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Christos...that was something that bothered me as a youth myself...that God would turn His back on the world without blinking an eye. It was finding out about the BoM and so many other things I didn't know as a youth, that helped open my eyes and my mind to things I never thought of before.
I agree that you need to get away and think...with an open heart and open mind.
Good Luck

[Setheus]

Originally posted by sugarbay+Dec 31 2005, 09:39 AM-->

There's no need to understand. He is who he is. Accept and love him or don't, but I will tell you that you are missing out on a very interesting person with great insight, a quick mind and rapier sharp wit.

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Sugar I scraped my knee today......

when I fell for you.

[Jason]

Originally posted by Setheus@Dec 30 2005, 07:00 PM
So what you're saying is that I can kill all the men of your villiage, rape the horses and ride off on the women....

The Three Amigos, right?

[Setheus]

None other than Jason! LOL Outstanding. Steve Martin, Chevy Chase.....and a third halrious guy who's name I can never remember right off.

The Three Amigos.