re: Mormons & Evangelicals Together - Convicted Civility

prisonchaplain · #1 (**permalink**) 02-10-2009, 02:58 AM

This is about 10 minutes and describes a growing friendship between a BYU dean and an evangelical leader...and the good that's come out of their pursuit of friendship and "convicted civility."

YouTube - Standing Together: Is Anybody Listening?

Maxel · #2 (**permalink**) 02-10-2009, 03:01 AM

Ugh, I would love to watch this but my computer blocks YouTube... Can anyone find an article, or describe it for me?

That, or I can watch it at school on Wednesday...

prisonchaplain · #3 (**permalink**) 02-10-2009, 03:08 AM

You'll want to see it, but you might google Greg Johnson Robert Millet under videos, and see if some non-youtube versions are available. I actually found the two-hour program of Ravi Zacharias preaching from the pulpit of the Tabernacle through a Standing Together (the name of Johnson's evangelical "be friendly to LDS" group).

Here's another version of the OP video: http://www.standingtogether.org/imag...ninWINDOWS.wmv

applepansy · #4 (**permalink**) 02-10-2009, 09:19 AM

PC Thank you for posting this. I have always loved Bro. Millett.

applepansy

#5 (**permalink**) 02-10-2009, 10:23 AM

Thanks PC

VERY ENCOURAGING

A GREAT example to us ALL ( IMHO

)

Peace,
Ceeboo

prisonchaplain · #6 (**permalink**) 02-10-2009, 12:12 PM

Ceeboo, there's an interesting history of Catholic-Pentecostal dialogue too. Some of my professors were in on them, and said they were always enjoyable. Part of the theory was that, unlike the ecumenical ones between Catholics and Lutherans, there was no intent to hammer out differences and reconcile organizationally with Pentecostals--so no "politics." Rather, the conversations were about theology, liturgy, and of course, "What's up with our Charismatic Catholics anyway...why are they doing such and such?"

That conversation was pioneered back in the 1950s/60s by David DuPlessis. It was a different era, though. His friendliness to Catholic theologians trying to understand pentecostalism, led to censure. For a little over 10 years DuPlessis was stripped of his ministerial credentials. Eventually, though--I believe in the early 1970s--those credentials were restored, along with an official apology. It's hard for a movement to grow up, but, praise God, we're making it! :-)

Loudmouth_Mormon · #7 (**permalink**) 02-10-2009, 12:25 PM

Yeah, I've buddied up with a lady at our local mega-church who practices "convicted civility". She's a very nice person who went out of her way to allow for the possibility that President Hinckley didn't go to Hell when he died.

When we put that theory to practice, she translated "convicted civility" as "I'm the nicest person you'll ever meet, but I refuse to debate with you, or even seriously consider your point of view." She let me come to a few of her "are mormons christians" class. After I opened my mouth to present an alternate viewpoint to what she was teaching, I was disinvited.

Our good PrisonChaplain here has been much more willing to discuss and learn than other practicers of convicted civility.

prisonchaplain · #8 (**permalink**) 02-10-2009, 05:27 PM

Loudmouth...I'm convinced we fail in these conversations, relationships, civility efforts, because we try to convert people, rather than allowing our example, our testimony, and the gentle wooing of the Holy Spirit do the work. More often then not, God is saying, "Relax and see my glory!" Ah, but it's more fun if I talked 'em into it! LOL

AngelLynn · #9 (**permalink**) 02-10-2009, 10:07 PM

My mom was nervous to mention that she was LDS/Mormon to reletives in Lousiana. As she knew there was not a lot of civility down in the south towards the LDS faith. This went on for about ten years and my mom's conversations with her aunt and cousins in Lousiana was filled with reasurances of faith and of God. Then one day my aunt asked my mom on the phone what faith she was and my mom told her that she was LDS. Her aunt acted shocked on the other end but said nothing more. I am not really sure what was going through her aunt's mind but it was probably shock that we had more in common than she had realized.

Book_of_Mormon_Warrior · #10 (**permalink**) 02-11-2009, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by prisonchaplain

This is about 10 minutes and describes a growing friendship between a BYU dean and an evangelical leader...and the good that's come out of their pursuit of friendship and "convicted civility."

YouTube - Standing Together: Is Anybody Listening?

You know I almost fell for this (nothing against you PC, just "Standing Together). As I said, I almost fell for this, until I clicked on "Recommended Readings" under the "Resources" tab, and what do I find? A link to "Living Hope Ministries", producers of the drivel known as "The Bible vs. the Book of Mormon" and other assorted anti-Mormon garbage. I think some LDS are too eager to be accepted by the evangelical community and will latch on to any ray of hope.