03/18/2012 09:21:12

When Jesus "cleaned the Temple", TWO TIMES, he didn't act or presented as being the MIGHTY JEHOVAH "God" and also didn't demand people to WORSHIP him as such Jehovah "God". In fact it was clear to the people that Jesus was just acting as God's SERVANT, as one more "god" servant = "Jehovah's PROPHET" making the cleanness of Jehovah's temple (with Jehovah God being in Heaven, being the Heavenly Father God, the Man of Holiness), never being the Temple the "House of Jesus Christ". Only silly people could believe Jesus Christ was acting as God, the "Greatest of all", making the cleanliness of the Temple, or going to die and dying in the cross as the mightiest of all Gods. When in fact died as "any mortal man": on Cross and as cleaned twice the Jerusalem Temple to Jehovah God (commanding from Heaven, Jehovah then "Commandant in Chief of Israelites", the active God in Heaven, the Heavenly Father, to Whom Jesus taught us to pray as "active God Chief, not to Jesus"...).

Jesus was quite like a King living, powerless, in an enemy kingdom. He didn't accept briberies or accept to live with privileges. But he lived as any of us. Including in death. Lived as ANY PROPHETE ("god" = God's SERVANT, being the GREATEST OF ALL, as foretold by MOSES and other prophets as ISAIAH) and as such PROPHET received as SPECIAL GIFT, some PRIVILEGES and PROTECTIONS as POWERS that GOD provides to some "god = God's servants" for them FULFIL their assignments, as to make MIRACLES, have great powers or resistance or survive great suffering (as prophet ABINADI...), etc. It was foretold WAS WERE TO BE THE "FEATURES" and characteristics of special miracles that were to be given to the PROPHET ("god") named "Jesus" to act as the "Christ". Quite like given to SamSON.

For what did it make the Angel in the Gethsemane? We can "reason" it was to provide strength and prepare him to support a probation that any man could support without die and he could get rid off of such pain with just voluntary "giving up" of the suffering. Thus Jesus died as result of a mortal death, but prepare to very intense level of suffering. Quite like Samson having so greatest strength to cause destruction and death.

When the Samaritan woman next to the well asked to Jesus who was him, Jesus didn't need to provide a wrong answer to her. He just provide the confirmation of the affirmative reasoning from the"krypt sab'eli ISRAELITE" woman, next to the Jacob's well (Sycar).

JOHN 4:5
5 Then cometh he to a city of Samaria, which is called Sychar, near to the parcel of ground that Jacob gave to his son Joseph.

6 Now Jacob’s well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied with his journey, sat thus on the well: and it was about the sixth hour.

7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus said unto her, Give me to drink.

8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)

9 Then said the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, asked drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.

10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that said to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.

11 The woman said unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?

12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?

13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:

14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

15 The woman said unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.

16 Jesus said unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
(COULD "ACTIVE" GOD, IN DUTY, ONISCIENT, MAKE MISTAKES? JESUS WAS LIVING AS ANY MORTAL MAN, AS A "god", AS A "God's prophet, as a God's SERVANT)

17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband: (JESUS RECOGNIZED HIS HUMAN MORTAL MISTAKE...)

18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.

19 The woman said unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

SHE RECOGNBIZED WHO IN FACT JESUS WAS: a "god = God's PROPHET = God's SERVANT", the GREATEST OF ALL.

20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

21 Jesus said unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

(AT THAT MOMENT, the FATHER AS THE "GOD COMMANDANT IN CHIEF of THE ISRAELITES, was THE GOD JEHOVAH=COMMANDANT IN HEAVEN of BOTH JUDAH and SAMARIAH and other DISPERSED OF ISRAEL = THE HEAVENLY FATHER GOD)

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father (--- not "God" Jesus Christ; all his active powers of Jehovah were with the FATHER) in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

25 The woman said unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

26 Jesus said unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
(JESUS TOLD HE WAS THE "MORTAL MAN, not GOD JEHOVAH" FORETOLD BY ISAIAH: the "god" = servant, the great "Jehovah's servant", the DESPISED MAN to come TO SUFFER...POWERLESS.

27 And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?

28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and said to the men,

29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?

30 Then they went out of the city, and came unto him.

31 In the mean while his disciples prayed him, saying, Master, eat.

32 But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of.

33 Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat?

34 Jesus said unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest.

36 And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.

37 And herein is that saying true, One soweth, and another reapeth.

38 I sent you to reap that whereon ye bestowed no labour: bother men laboured, and ye are entered into their labours.

39 And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did.

40 So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days.

41 And many more believed because of his own word;

42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

43 Now after two days he departed thence, and went into Galilee.


Jesus was never the Isaiah 9:6:
"Strong GOD, Prince of peace", but

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
King James Version
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, and The Prince of Peace.

The "CONFUSION" is that such CHILD will not be BORN in MORTALITY as THE MIGHTY "God" (that is for FUTURE, "his name shall be called..."), when in fact will live as "god = God's servant = PROPHET" as so abundant texts of Isaiah provide details on that. Also other prophets. That such Child FIRST will live as "god". The GOVERNMENT (of Judah and of the Israelites and of the World and of THIS universe will be on his Shoulder, LATER)

03/17/2012 20:41:47

POINTS TO CONSIDER ABOUT A LITTLE MISTAKE IN BOOK OF ABRAHAM: JUST A COPY DEVIATION

If we have some background in NEPH'ITIC language and simultaneously in HEBREU language, immediately we can notice a "mistake" in the way it was made a copy of a word in the translation of a word from Nephitic to the English. The result was quite ABSURD as the result was quite "nice" phonetically in a word that had a "sound" quite nice. Thus "phonetically" the word had a "good appearance of translation", but it had no meaning. But the true translation is to provide a translation for a word that has a perfect meaning in one meaning (as in Nephitic) and to provide another word THAT EVERYBODY can understand in the other language that is the output of translation. That is translation. When that is not possible, more words are used to obtain the "translated word".

Consider the word "SHAZER" = S H A Z E R, from Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 16:13:

12 And it came to pass that we did take our tents and depart into the wilderness, across the river Laman. AT THE MOUTH OF THE GULF OF AQBA, at Ezion Geber and crossing of caravan routes to Damascus and Memphis=Egypt).THUS they're moving into DESERT land.

13 And it came to pass that we traveled for the space of four days, nearly a south-southeast direction, and we did pitch our tents again; and we did call the name of the place Shazer ---- FROM THE MOUTH of THE GULF OF AQBA (Ezion geber) GOING SOUTH THEY WERE GOING TO THE MARGIN OF "RED SEA" (see next verse...) AND IN "FOUR WALKING DAYS" REACHED SUCH MARGIN. IT WAS "SHAZER" (in fact CHASER in Hebrew and NEPHITIC and SAB'ELI languages...) AT THE MARGIN OR RED SEA. START OF JOURNEY ALONG RED SEA TOWARD HARBOR.

14 And it came to pass that we did take our bows and our arrows ---- (NO MORE FOOD. THEY HAD TO LIVE FROM "CHASED" FOOD. THEY BECAME "CHASERs, HUNTERS) --- and go forth into the wilderness to "slay food" ("CHASE, HUNT") for our families; and after we had slain food ("CHASEd") for our families we did return again to our families in the wilderness, to the place of Shazer ("CHASER, place of HUNTERs GATHERING"). And we did go forth again in the wilderness ("CHASIng"), following the same direction, keeping in the most fertile parts of the wilderness, which were in the borders near the Red Sea. ("SHAZER = CHASER", GEOGRAPHICALLY, was the START OF THE WALKING PATHWAY ALONG THE RED SEA, and end of Gulf of Aqaba).

It is very clear the word CHASE is very common in LATIN languages and in languages that inherited from Latin language and from SAB'ELI language (quite a mixture of Hebrew, Greek and Phoenician, from days of Prophet Joel 3:6). We can see it clearly in the N.Y. bank named CHASE MANHATAN BANK, or CHASE BANK, which is clearly the meaning the CHASER from the original Nephitic (Sab'Eli) language meaning that was badly translated to English as meaning SHAZER, which means NOTHING. In fact only the PHONETICS of CHASER was "translated" (correctly), but none information was provided as in the original text. The information was that CHASER is the ORDER = "ER" (provided by the VERB) + CHASE (which means the "ACTION of HUNTING"). Thus combining the two actions it becomes the ORDER OF DOING THE ACTION OF HUNTING, OF CHASING. According the text, it was an ORDER to become a group of people living only from HUNTED ANIMALS as source of FOOD since the geographic place named "CHASER". Thus the CHASER had a third meaning. All of that is lost in the translation that tried to hide it using SHAZER which means nothing.

We have in French language, a Latin originated language, the word CHASSEUR, which is also clearly a corruption of SAB'ELI language, from much before 600 B.C., and it is just the same CHASSEUR with the Hebrew grammar rule applied. Removing such "rule" (of making doubled a consonant between two vowels, as ELI is turned into ELLI), it becomes into CHASEUR (old spelling) which is CHASE+UR, which means HUNTER... In case of CHASE Bank, of New York, for Jews, CHASE is quite like the name of a financial institution to “hunt” money from the US people for the Chase Bank invests that money and profit with it.

Thus the translation in Book of Mormon is not so "perfect" and that is clear for those used to the SAB'ELI language, from which originated (departed) the NEPH'ITIC language and the NEPH'ITIC people and from that nation of LIAH, going south, to NEPHitic town...


Other case is in Doctrine and Covenants. What is "correct"? ONE GOD, GOD, God or "god"?
Did Jesus Christ "lived, acted, used powers", in mortality, as mighty "God" or lived just as powerless "god"="prophet" as Moses foretold?
People don't pay attention, but they make great mistake, and mix up God with "god".
That was the great problem with "oral revelation" when it was made "written down"...
That was very common in Koran Book, because compilation was made without priesthood powers and fueled under theological, political and military pressures and interests.

For sure never Jesus presented himself as the greatest and mightiest "Jehovah God" living into mortal flesh and hidden governing the World and Israelites and Kingdoms.

Jesus lived and DIED as "god" = Jehovah God's SERVANT (the GREATEST of ALL gods = the greatest of all PROPHETS), something announced by Moses and the other prophets. They didn't announce Jesus was to come to live in mortality as the MIGHTY JEHOVHA GOD, but only as the defenseless LAMB, the LAMB without sin to be sacrificed in our favor, for our sins, as if replacing such animals sacrificed continuously in the temple. For the end of such animals sacrifice: as foretold.

Thus the LDS are equally EQUIVOCATED, as in the case of SHAZER, which is CHASER, in the case of JESUS. Jesus is like a king from a far away KINGDOM that comes to live in captivity in our king, the king of a usurper. That allowed the far away mighty KING lives here, as if "slave", but WITHOUT ACTIVE POWERS: living as if in "captivity" in enemy kingdom. The far away KING lives here as any of us, even if continues to be "KING", but is without ACTIVE POWERS. When returns (RUN AWAY) to his far away kingdom, to join with his FATHER that remained ruling in his place (with title of Jehovah King), then the KING returns to rule as mighty KING, with title of Jehovah King. Get back all his powers.

There is something deviated because of "changing letters", not considering what prophet Isaiah told about Jesus living in mortality, being the so greatest SERVANT of Jehovah, of his Commandant in Heaven, then also our Heavenly Commandant, the Heavenly Father, the Man of Holiness, the God Father, a God much GREATHER than Jesus living as God and infinitely greater than the Jesus living as "god", the "greatest of ALL gods", the "greatest of all PROPHETS" in mortality... Koran Book is clear about that.


Doctrine and Covenants 19:18

18 Which suffering caused myself, even God (---- it is not "God", but "god = servant, prophet"; he was God but his suffering was of a PROPHET, a MAN, of just a "LAMB" see ISAIAH), the greatest (--- PROPHET, SERVANT

03/17/2012 15:26:16

BOOK OF ABRAHAM provides math. relationship GOD's Time x MORTALITY-material TIME (equation)

In previous post (comments) nr. 5 of 03/16/2012 of 21:40:13 it was provided many information about the two points (PAIR) with God's information on the relationship between God's time x Mortality time:

1.0 God's Time is worth 1,000 years of mortality time (Book of Abraham).

0.5 God's Time (a God's night, for revelations) is worth "OVER, MORE THAN" 1,000 MONTHs of mortality time (Koran Book, Chapter 97, verse 3) = 83.3 YEARS of mortality time.


IF we had "assumed" a linear (arithmetic) relationship between God's time and mortality time, for 0.5 God's Time we should get just 500 years of mortality time and much GREATER THAN the 83.3 years provided in the Koran Book, chapter 97, verse 3.

It is very clear the relationship God's Time x Mortality Time (and time of Creation of Material things) is like an EXPONENTIAL CURVE, as we compare the mortality time of 83.3 years x 500 years being linked for the same 0.5 Day of God's Time. That is in agreement with the common sense on how long it took the time of events for the creation since the event. The first ones took longer time, as material time (even if expressed in "worth" mortality time) even if for the same God's time interval, as if of God's Days. And the last God's day was relatively short, as the Sabbatical day, when expressed in the equivalent material time or the "worth mortality time" (as time was always passing, or we should not have Creation going on; the problem is the "scale" being used to measure it...).

We can use a first simpler mathematical approach to solve the problem of TIME, as providing an EXPONENTIAL EQUATION in which we assume that the "material time, before the first sin, by Adam and Eve" was similar or WORTH in duration to the "mortality time to come", as in "length, duration". Thus old days were more or less "worth" as nowadays and since before, when they could not be valid, they were "extrapolated".

The EXPONENTIAL EQUATION can be set for the Night of KADR:
1,000 Months = 83.3 years (verse 97.3 of Kadr) =
= (1,000 years, from B.Abraham)^[1+(T-1.0)*adjustment factor]
T=0.5 God's day (Kadr) and --- adjustment factor = 0,71945
valid if the night of KADR is worth MORE THAN "one thousand MONTHS=83.3 YEARS".

We know that we got not an exact solution, but a FIRST APPROACH, yielding exact 83.3 years or 1,000 months, with the "adjustment factor = 0,61945...". First solution.
GOD's time in Days ------ and---- Equivalent Worth Mortality Time in Years are:
0 6.9 years = 83. months
0.5 (KADR's night) 83.3 years = 1,000. months
1.0 1,000.0 years = 12,000. months
2.0 143,996. years = 1,727,950. month
3.0 20,734,807. years = 248,817,686. m
4.0 2,985,726,344. years 35,828,716,123. m
5.0 429,932,226,679. years
6.0 61,908,459,874,240. years
7.0 8,914,561,798,745,960. years

We can CONCLUDE that the use of the constant or "ADJUSTMENT FACTOR" = 0.71945 in the exponent formula (equation) of the EXPONENTIAL EQUATION (quite like those used in Book of Abraham - we are to talk about it...) was not EXACT since the beginning. It was just a FIRST APPROACH and not supported by the Chapter 97, titled KADR, verse 97:3, because it was "stated", such type of "ADJUSTMENT FACTOR" could not led to the production of 1,000 month as result for KADR. And in above table you can see that the result for Heavenly Time of 0.5 Day is EXACTLY the value of 1,000 Months and not OVER or MORE THAN the value of 1,000 months. For sure the above solution is just a ROUGH solution...

Can we get another solution, quite ROUGH solution but quite in the OTHER LIMIT, in such a way that the true solution in between them?

HUM? HUM?

SCIENCE has provided that THE UNIVERSE in which we are living may be as BIG as something like 10 to 20 billion years worth in size and "age". It is quite like a great "guess". Maybe we are looking at the fringe or borders of other nearby CREATIONS, made by other Gods. We know that ONE GOD's creations are endless and that is clear in Koran Book.

We may adopt, as a first "guess", something intermediary size and age of 15 billion years and impose now not the solution of a pair of values of God's time x Material time for 0.5 and 1.0 God's time, but for 1.0 and 7.0 God's time, with "worth" material time being some 15 billion years "WORTH" material time (worth "equivalent mortality time") to the 7.0 God's time. It is like stretching back a meter/time scale "backwards"...


The EXPONENTIAL EQUATION can be set for the START or BEGINNING of "this" Jehovah's Creation, which is not the first Supreme Being's Creation:
15,000,000,000 years (15 billions years) = 1.5 E10 (from "Guess" of scientists) =
= (1,000 years, from B.Abraham)^[1+(T-1.0)*adjustment factor]
T=7.0 God's day (start of Creation) and --- adjustment factor = 0,398671737 (Creation!)
Valid if the "Science Creation" started some 15 billion years ago, maybe EXPLODING".

We got not an exact solution, but a SECOND APPROACH, yielding exact 15 billion years as start of Creation, with the "adjustment factor = 0.3986717..." for the second solution.
GOD's time in Days ------ and---- Equivalent Worth Mortality Time in Years are:
0 64. years = 764 months
0.5 (KADR's night) 252. years = 3,028 MONTHS
1.0 1,000. years = 12,000 months
2.0 15,704. years = 188,450 month
3.0 246,621. years = 2.959.455 mo
4.0 3,872,983. years
5.0 60,822,021. years
6.0 955,159,842. years
7.0 15,000,000,240. years

As we can see, such values are quite reasonable for science evaluation and also quite reasonable for Koran Book (revelation to Prophet Muhammad), in its Chapter 97, verse 3. We can see that for God's Time of 0.5 Day = 0.5 Night of Revelation (Kadr), the result is that the NIGHT OF KADR is WORTH more than 1,000. months. In fact we got above 3,028 months, "more than 1,000 months" and simultaneously it is fulfilled that ONE God's Day period is Worth 1,000 YEARS of Mortality Time period. And also we got that for the whole Creation period, of 7.0 God's Day period; we had that the Material Time period was WORTH some 15 Billion YEARS.

03/16/2012 21:40:13

WHAT ABOUT BOOK OF ABRAHAM? MENTIONED IN SACRED BOOK OF ISLAM AS BEING TRUE ONE.

It is possible to provide a scientific-reasonable determination of the age of this Universe in which we are living (this THIS specific God's Creation, of our Jehovah's God Creator), in worth mortality time and in translating the Days of Creation into our worth mortality time. I am a scientist M.Sc. and partly coursed PhD from U.Calif. Berkeley 1978 and thus I worked with some subjects as "time" and gravities modeling. It is quite nice but it is possible to link Koran Book (one specific verse) and Book of Abraham, to provide a rational equation on God's time equation x Mortality time equation: Kolob rule. How much is worth 0.5 God’s day time? A problem for Koran book. 500 years?

03/16/2012 21:14:57

What should it means LIAH-ONA?
We could speculate that LIAH is LI + AH (in old Hebrew) and in our language is AH + LI. We could guess AH means "belong, is owned or is originated" from "LI".
Thus LIAH is from the lineage of an ancestral named LI. And she became the first wife of Jacob, thus such lineage got into the Jacob's lineage, as Israel's lineage (adoption).

"ONA" means, in old and yet is ALIVE in our Latin language (being in USE), as something "BIG, of SIZE and of great VALUE, importance, etc."

It is in "amazingly abundant use". Only people that speak English don't know about.

Thus LIAHONA is ONA + LIAH (in our language, or Book of Mormon translated). It means. Notice that Lehi is the "translation from sab'eli language to English". It appears the original name in 600 B.C. was LERRI. It could be Le'ri phonetically depending on grammar rule from Hebrew being observed or not in sab'eli).

1 Ne 16:10 (Alma 17:38-39).... Lehi ( the original name in Sab'eli 600 B.C. was


38 And now, my son, I have somewhat to say concerning the thing which our fathers call a ball (" ONA = A BIG" LIAH's SPHERIC ball = COOKER, like PRESSURE COOKER PAN"), or director--or our fathers called it Liahona, which is, being interpreted, a compass (HAD FEW OIL WITH A FLOATING CORK WITH A NEEDLE OVER IT AND TARGET VALUES/SYMBOLS engraved AT THE INTERNAL WALL); and the Lord prepared it ("through LIAH... thus the name").


39 And behold, there cannot any man work after the manner of so curious a workmanship (FROM LIAH'S WORK, QUITE LIKE WORK OF God's servant. WITCHERY?...). And behold, it was prepared to show unto our fathers the course which they should travel in the wilderness.

I have somewhat to say concerning the thing which our fathers call a ball, or director—or our fathers called it Liahona, which is, being interpreted, a compass; and the Lord prepared it. And behold, there cannot any man work after the manner of so curious a workmanship. And behold, it was prepared to show unto our fathers the course which they should travel in the wilderness. And it did work for them according to their faith in God; therefore, if they had faith to believe that God could cause that those spindles should point the way they should go, behold, it was done; therefore they had this miracle, and also many other miracles wrought by the power of God, day by day....
And now, my son, I would that ye should understand that these things are not without a shadow; for as our fathers were slothful to give heed to this compass (now these things were temporal) they did not prosper; even so it is with things which are spiritual. For behold, it is as easy to give heed to the word of Christ, which will point to you a straight course to eternal bliss, as it was for our fathers to give heed to this compass, which would point unto them a straight course to the Promised Land. And now I say, is there not a type in this thing? For just as surely as this director did bring our fathers, by following its course, to the Promised Land, shall the words of Christ, if we follow their course, carry us beyond this vale of sorrow into a far better land of promise.... The way is prepared, and if we will look we may live forever (Alma 37:38-46).

Looking into the "PAN", from lid removed, it was like looking down into the deep well or the person could have proper "vision" (?) as if looking from other viewpoint.


How important is LIAH? (Lia? Leah?...)
Jesus, the Christ, is a sab'elli, an Israelite, a descendent from LIAH: a LIAHite.
From LIAH (LIA) came the tribe of LEVI, with all the PRIESTS that we had in Israel and those that will be restored in due time, as having the priesthood by genealogy. We may understand that somehow LIAH had some importance and power in making the LIAHona, a quite very sacred device for communication with God, quite like for priesthood... For his descendents make proper use.

But Liah, as Christ, was very much humiliated in life. Jacob didn't favor Liah, but Rachel.
For sure the subject LIAH-ONA is very speculative for English speculative people, as they can't understand a language that was alive some 600 B.C. and remains partly alive.

03/16/2012 19:55:15

Israel generated the Israel-ITES, which are the ITES-Israel (in our language), which means the "stones" of Israel, in fact the "SPIRITUAL SEED" of Jacob that was to come up and down through the STAIR to replace the live in Heaven to come to live in Earth and return. They were symbolically their "seed" to come to live on Earth and their symbolism was that of "STONES" made alive and very "sacred". We can understand the symbolism of Jacob have anointed (spelled) oil over them, the stones he had dreamed over them. Also when Israel was to cross the Jordan River to enter the Promised Land, near Jericho town, also stones were raised by Joshua as representing the Tribes and their Living People and in fact also their descendents. And the stones mere made as symbolic Lord's LIVING WITNESS

Thus "ITE" (or ITA in Latin originated languages) do not mean only STONE, but LIVING DESCENDENTS when in a religious context, as in Scriptures, when it is clearly linked to some people and their future growth/expansion.

We can understand that Jacob + ites (and all "ites" that are in the Book of Mormon) are originated from the Hebrew and from the sab'eli language meaning, similar to the usual Israel+ites (israelITES), as used so much by the Jews as in their synagogues. Thus JacobITEs means Jacob + ITEs and need to be converted to Nephitic order of writing:
ITEs + Jacob = "descendents" of Jacob. Following the same reasoning we have:
Nephites: the descendents from Neph (a person, a man).
LamanITES: the descendents from Laman
JosephITES: the descendents from Joseph, etc.

LIAH was the wife of JACOB (titled as ISRAEL). How are titled her descendents?
LIAH + ITEs (in English), but sab'eli didn't like live in English nations, but Latin
LIAH + ITAs, but that is in nowadays language. In old 6000 BC days, sab'elli was read from right to left, as Hebrew: ITAs + LIA. "Descendents of" Liah. A "generic descent" of LIAH, as we have in the generic descendent from JACOB (ISRAELITE, ISRAELITA), provides the example on how to write the generic descendent for LIAH in 600 B.C.:

ITA + LIA = ITALIA. A terra de refúgio para os israelitas...
Lea or Leia or LIA: in Hebrew is לֵאָה and in modern Hebrew is: Le"a

We can understand why Jesus was so open minded in relation to the people of ItaLIAH as not cursing to them, but being quite severe with the Philisteus (see Joel 3:6), refusing to providing miracles to them. Jesus came to help the ISRAELITES, the people "sab'eli"...

Be them VISIBLE (as the JEWS) and be them not "INVISIBLE, not of judaism religion, as was the case of the ROMAN centurion...), not considered as JEWS, as the case of SAMARITANS and "Greeks" and SAB'ELIs (the ItaLIANs of sab'eli old origin, not including recent unmixed barbarian people, not yet Israelites by marriage, as was the case of Samaritans...).

For sure a. Paul was in the search basically of the "sab'eli", not trying to convert ALL and undistintly pagan peoples and races. It is clear the efforts of Paul were worthwhile in going to ItaLIA, making it his greatest priority. Even facing so great tribulations and death. What is the "link"?.

03/16/2012 18:59:04

Jewish origin to Neph'ITES and B MORMON

I was baptized 22 years ago as LDS. Also did my family members. Before I was Muslim, but from Catholics origin.

We went twice into SLCity, one before the Revelation of 1978.

Studying the origins of my family and also of the family of my son's mother (not my wife), we concluded we had a Jewish origin. In the case of such son being from Babylon captivity of Jews that refused to return to build the Temple: the Koch'ach(ake).

And in my lineage it came quite clear (?, speculative) that sab'eli people was general for 12 tribes, thus their dispersion may have started from an earlier time/dispersion. -- Probably we had two sab'eli dispersions:

sab'eli (as usually "l" is replaced by "r" in Iraq, Iran, India, Pakistan, etc). They are the sab'eri or sab'er or sab'eriah in India and went also to China and Japan, making trade routes. Sab'eri'ah in India means that they are "property, originated from" the sab'eri (or sab'er) from Iran - Iraq region. And going to the other expansion, sab'eri moved to where is Moscow, being the sab'eli'ev, with "ev" meaning descendents of sab'eli.

Thus some of them were living in Greece region, also, when the second group of israelites, generically "named, as if merchandise by Phoenicians and Greeks", as more "sab'eli" people (not as israelites...).

Such Jews (2 tribes) were the new tittled/labelled "Sab'eli", sold as captive to the Phoenicians (see JOEL 3:6) as if cattle that were stored in Phoenicia ready to board (nowadays Lebanon). And in great boats they were moved to GRECIA: sold as SLAVES.

There started the arrived people that is known in Book of Mormon as NEPHITES, just one MEMBER of BRANCH of "slaved sab'eli" people living in Greece. See Joel 3:6. And, as defense of their CULTURAL and SPIRITUAL IDENTITY, they improved speaking and writing a "ghetto’s language": the MIXTURE, BLEND of HEBREW, PHOENICIAN (they learned in "nowadays LEBANON") and GREEK.

Thus their written language of slaves became stantard and it WAS NOT GREEK, but the SAB'ELI's language in its new hybrid version. Not more in Hebrew, but with so many intact Hebrew aspects, as grammar rules, that survives even in alive modern languages...

They are the living languages of my family. Also instead of writing from left to right, it was written from right to left (as in Hebrew) and also so many Greek and Phoenicians words were written in quite "perverted, erratic" way (for Greek people could not read...).

They, the sab'eli, RUN AWAY from GREECE. This is well documented. This is well told in WRITTEN HISTORY. The problem is that people don't believe in such long available history ("fable?"), since before the days of Jesus Christ...

And thus they started a NEW LAND, where the NEW SAB'ELI language was SPOKEN and WRITEN. But it was decided to completely destroy it by circa some 500 B.C. by some mighty nation and to destroy the "slave origin, mainly from Phoenicians--Carthage).

As if to destroy any evidences and history of the past, as that the Nephites had departed south and north.

As some 600 BC a branch of the SAB'ELI people departed, one to the North (surviving yet and fighting as Nef'in people, nefitic language is partly surviving...) and

other departed and their history is quite well known in a book written in the language of old (final) SAB'ELI, because it is written in characters of SAB'ELI language, even on plates and carved on stones, ceramics..

and their not translated words have as meaning those of SAB'ELI languages.

And also such words and texts, in SAB'ELI, were found across the USA, and are available in museums and in internet literature.

WHO ARE WE? Religious JEWS? I am LDS/Latter Day Saints.

I'm shepherd, Israelite member from a very dispersed and hidden people, as if cattle heard. More I could say, as about what I personally found and unearthed: a thing, but above is enough.

Tags: Israelites Sab’eli Nef’ites Liah’ita

03/16/2012 18:39:44

Sab'eli is quite like as if written in Neph'itic language (they are the same thing).

Thus they are read from RIGHT to the LEFT, as group of words having a meaning: Eli'sab when we are translating in our nowadays European languages (quite like originated from classic Greek language, as borrowed by classic Latin, which never came from Sab'eli: extinct 500 BC).

ELI means "my God, my Lord, including the Lord of his Kingdom". Thus we are members or inhabitants (citizens) of Your Kingdom (from Mr. "Sab")

Sab is the short version of SABoth, the GOD who "RULES" over His KINDOM, including all that is in it (loyal citizens/spirits) and including the time (the day of rest, SABbath day of rest). Sabaoth = "hosts" = huge amount of loyal soldiers/armies and inhabitants of His Kingdom (on Earth and on Heaven) = Earthly Israel + Angelic Israel = God of Israelites (God of Israel's descendents: the worthy ones). Mightiest Israel/Lord Jesus.

Thus Sab'eli are those who can say: "My GOD" is Israel's God, the SABaoth God. Thus if I am a worthy descendant of Israel, I am worthy living ISRAELITE, a living "stone of ISRAEL" symbolically anointed by him. I am an ISRAELite = ISRAEL + Ite, an IsraelITe = IsraelITE (in English). Sab'eli is quite a generic synonymous of Hebrew, but not for Jews, because the Jews (as for members of the tribe of Judah, or the kingdom of 2 tribes) do not compose/represent most of the descendents of Israel: from other tribes.

Thus SAB'ELI is a better denomination for a generic descendent from ISRAEL = JACOB. Being ISARELITA is the HIDDEN alternative denomination. ISRAEL + ITA means ITA=living stone (living descendent) from ISRAEL = JACOB, or LIVING DESCENDANT FROM JACOB: Latin world and its language and originated from it. Other possibilities: ITA, ITE, ITI, ITO, ITU... because in original Hebrew there was no vowels in standard texts and vowels were added in days of dispersion and pronunciation/sound corruptions and under influence of local language as rulers of local translations (as toward Sab'eli in Asiatic nations, as toward China and Japan, Korea, etc). For those with plenty Japanese relatives it is quite easy to understand.