07/17/2009 23:54:59

sjdean wrote: Traveler wrote: As far as alcohol is concerned - I believe someone when they say they drink it because of how it effect them.  For tasts?  Don't believe it - simple scientific experiment - take away the alcohol and suddenly no one buys it.  I know there is the 1 in a million exception.  It is just that I have never met one of the exceptions. The Traveler   You should meet me then. Im a one in a million exception. I must be after reading some of the posts some of the lager louts post elsewhere about how it makes them feel. Doesn't make me feel anything except the same. And I certainly don't like my face feeling numb or getting tired. Take away the alcohol, Im pretty much the same behaviour. I can't drive a car, but Im still a nice guy. I've cut back on alcohol recently, I've tried to see if I can enjoy myself just as much on soft drinks, and I can, and my friends support me. So I get defensive when someone tries to suggest I have no self control or problems with my social circle. Meet me, and I promise you will see a one in a million exception that does like the taste and not the effect. Don't get what you're saying though. Take away the alcohol and no one will buy it????

I have never met someone that will drink beer or a regualr basis that does not contain any alcohol.  Therefore the logic is simpel transitivity - If the only beer they drink has alcohol and they do not consume anything that tast like beer (unless it has alcohol) then I assume they are after the alcohol and not the tast.  What a person does speaks so laud and clear to me I seldom pay attention to what they say - unless what they say is in complete agreement with what they are doing.

 

As a side note - I do think you would be a rather interesting person to get to know

 

The Traveler

07/09/2009 16:14:10

SJDean, for some reason, I can't send you a PM.  So, I guess this will have to go on as comment (hope you have the ability to delete it if you don't like it!)

Okay, to Traveler - My family is not LDS.  I converted about 6 years ago.  My father is a chemist at a beer company, so trust me when I say, I know what I'm talking about here.  I don't drink because I don't like the TASTE of it.  I had my first sip of a Lagerlite at age 6.  Hated the smell/taste of it.  So, there's the fridge and there's water, juice, soda, and beer.  I go for the juice or soda or water.  I'm 39 years old now and I have not had a single drop of alcohol since that Lagerlite - not even for New Year.  Because I don't like how it smells and TASTES.  My brothers and my dad like the TASTE of beer and Johnny Walker but know how it affects them.  So, there's the fridge and there's water, juice, soda, or beer.  They go for juice or soda or water... until we have our get-togethers and my dad and brothers go for the beer.  It's like something "special".  Kinda like having that twinkie when you know it can give you a coronary if you overdo it, so you save it for when you can enjoy it with friends.

So yes, the alcohol is what gives it that enhanced taste.  Just like you put brandy butter on Christmas pudding, not just regular butter.  Just like you put rum on rum cake, just like you accompany red wine instead of white wine for certain dishes - not so you can fry your brain but because it gives it that special TASTE.

Now, if LDS people would put the same blanket "attacks" on people who eat twinkies as they do people like SJDean who are responsible drinkers, then maybe I would understand what the deal is.  But no - there's a double standard.  Healthy people who drink the occasional beer are not temple-worthy while people who are 100 lbs overweight for no other reason but eating excessively but do not drink alcohol are somehow OKAY.  And yes, IT DOES say it on D&C 89 to be responsible consumers of food as well.

So, SJDean - From your posts, I don't think there's anything wrong with you at all.  But, unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you look at it), if you want to be LDS, you have to forsake alcohol - which shouldn't be a big deal for you, since you're not "addicted" to it.  It is cool to be able to just follow a simple commandment as this one.  Okay, so it's not hard for me because I don't drink.  But, eating twinkies responsibly is part of the same commandment as well and THAT is a very hard one for me.  So, yeah, we're all in the same boat.

But, your original post was not really about alcohol but the appearance of evil - wherein an example is if you go to a bar, have fun with friends, and have orange juice... I don't see anything wrong with that at all.  My family and friends go to bars (love that Karaoke and big screen sportscasts!), have alcohol on parties, etc. etc.  I'm still part of that family.  Unless I want to give up on my family, I have to go with them.  Okay, I WANT to go with them.  I don't feel it necessary to turn my back on my family.  I still attend Catholic baptisms and confirmations for my nieces and nephews, etc. etc.  They all know what I believe because I don't waste the opportunity to explain to them the differences between LDS and Catholic baptisms when the subject comes up.  Next month, my eldest son is going to be baptized.  I am excited to see the expression of our bishop when he sees all these Catholics surrounding the baptismal font.

Jesus, in his ministry, has been found to go into the thick of sinners.

07/09/2009 12:51:53

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That is one of many reasons. Not the exclusive one, and never necessarily included in all instances.

If it was consumed solely for its effect, explain to me why some people may only consume half a pint at lunchtime, and sip it? Let me guess, the retort will be is that it is "subconcious".

 

 

You are not paying attention – a little alcohol is consumed for a little effect.  Dah!  There is no particular amount that suddenly creates a different effect – it is a simple matter of volume control.

 

I am not slinging mud - just pointing out that your arguments are not rational.  Let me go a step beyond so you can understand how I think.  Take for example compound interest.  How do I figgure out if someone understands compound interest - simple.  If they pay it they really do not understand.  If they recieve it then I will believe they do understand.

 

As far as alcohol is concerned - I believe someone when they say they drink it because of how it effect them.  For tasts?  Don't believe it - simple scientific experiment - take away the alcohol and suddenly no one buys it.  I know there is the 1 in a million exception.  It is just that I have never met one of the exceptions.

 

The Traveler

09/27/2008 11:57:42

lol, you have the same initials as my husband! So hi!  You've been a member on here quite awhile it seems, but I just joined today, so feel free to come by my profile and read my testimony.  I hope you are able to have some friendly and homely conversations amongst us.  By the way, do you know your age say 1years old?  Put a piccy up so I can do a guess-ti-mate lol.  Hope you are well.

I hope to hear from you soon. 

01/21/2008 15:24:46

i didn't know you weren't lds. sorry if it seemed i was attacking you. i just hear so many lds people say the same thing you did. that it's ok for the prophet to lie if it betters the church.