I read your comments on the now closed thread "debate".  Your experience in high school debate was different than mine.  What I learned is if you cannot take a subject from ether the "Affirmative" or the "Negative" point of view and think you can win the debate - you do not understand question nor do you have an informed point of view.

I believe that what you really have problem with is arguing rather than debating.  To me arguing is an attitude of stating opinion regardless of the facts. 

BTW my partner and I won the “Weber” debate meet by recognizing that our opponents points (needs for change) were all correct – it was their plan to meet those needs that was flawed.  We were able to be successful because we understood their arguments and plans better than they did.  Often in a discussion one of the first things I attempt to discover is if someone understands the problem better than I do.  The only way I know how to discover their understanding is to take the opposite point of view to see how they deal with it.

The Traveler

Hello my Brother!

I hope you come on and see this. Because it's your happy happy happy birthday!

I was working on a card this morning, then fell asleep and just got up! I hate that.

I love you, and hope you had a wonderful day.

Big Sis